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Michigan pays DOUBLE tobacco tax due to the new Federal Increase.

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McCain spent his entire career deregulating the financial sector. And this isn't the first time a taxpayer bailout resulted. Google the Keating five. It was McCain and his parties policies that lead us in this mess. Don't blame Obama for raising the price on your cigarettes as a way of paying for McCains failed economic experiment.

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While a little before my time with regards to politics I took your advice and Googled the Keating Five. What is said by Wiki is-

"Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly"

"All five of the senators involved served out their terms. Only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election, and they both succeeded."

So it seems to me what you speak of was likley just another Democratic witch hunt.

The extra tax imposed on "Loose" tobacco was most likley lobbied by the big tobacco companies since they were loosing so much in sales. Regardless it was a FEDERAL tax and it was done during the Obama administration, therfore I blame Obama. This tobacco tax is not the only thing he has in mind.

Charging people per mile tax for driving sounds like another thing Obama will try. How will you feel about that? And who will you blame?

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Cleared by who exactly??????? A senate ethics committee? Wow I'm impressed that his pals cleared him - NOT.

For what it's worth, Obama has very little to do with Michigan's cigarette tax increase. But the economic conditions in Michigan that lead to it can be traced (at least in part) to the policies of McCain.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Tuesday 7th of April 2009 09:40:38 PM

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It was Clinton whom created all this mess with regards to the banking system.

He is the one whom got China to give banks all that bloody money, which in turn artificially raised the worth of homes. Hell you had $30,000 shacks getting bank loans for $100,000+

How about NAFTA?

You know they claim their was a BODY COUNT over White-Water dont you?

By the time Bush got in there we already had people so pissed off they were running planes into sky scrapers.

If anything Bush is the only reason this country has not suffered the same sorts of attacks, and to me, thats what the presidents job is.

Lets talk about this recession that were in, while we at it.... While Bush was in office things were slow going in terms of the economy, and rightfully so since we were at war. It wasnt until your buddy Obama started flapping his trap about how we are in a recession that everyone else just thought "It must be true".

I think most of consumer spending has shriveld up because now everyone wants to say "Oh were in a recession" rather than "I cant afford it".

Did you vote last year PowerStroker?

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SELLC wrote:

It was Clinton whom created all this mess with regards to the banking system.

He is the one whom got China to give banks all that bloody money, which in turn artificially raised the worth of homes. Hell you had $30,000 shacks getting bank loans for $100,000+

How about NAFTA?

Actually this started with Reagan, it was continued with the first Bush, Clinton pussed out and did nothing to stop it so you're right about that, and the 2nd Bush put these policies on Steroids. By the time Obama took office he was left with nothing but bad choices.

You know they claim their was a BODY COUNT over White-Water don't you?

I have my suspicions about that too, but don't think for a second that only Dems "whack" people. Either way, the White Water scandal has nothing to do with our countries economic problems.

By the time Bush got in there we already had people so pissed off they were running planes into sky scrapers.

Oh yeah, this is Clinton and Obama's fault too I'm sure.

If anything Bush is the only reason this country has not suffered the same sorts of attacks, and to me, thats what the presidents job is.

Except that 911 thing that happened on Bush's watch, even though he and Condi were warned and ignored the warnings. The president's job is to uphold, protect, and defend the CONSTITUTION. Bush FAILED at that. Without our constitution we are nothing. It was Ben Franklin who said "Anyone who is willing to sacrifice civil liberties to gain a little temporary security - deserves neither liberty nor security."

Lets talk about this recession that were in, while we at it.... While Bush was in office things were slow going in terms of the economy, and rightfully so since we were at war. It wasn't until your buddy Obama started flapping his trap about how we are in a recession that everyone else just thought "It must be true".

Wrong, it was BUSH and his treasury secretary Hank Paulsen who knew we were on an unsustainable path and ignored it until they had to come to congress with their tail between their legs and ask for 700 Billion to recapitalize the banks who failed due to the systematic deregulation of the financial industry which lead to a collapse. The deregulation by the way was a Republican policy.

I think most of consumer spending has shriveld up because now everyone wants to say "Oh were in a recession" rather than "I cant afford it".

We are in a recession, even the Republicans agree. A recession isn't some arbitrary term, it's defined by 6 consecutive quarters of negative growth. Do you deny that what we are in qualifies?

Did you vote last year PowerStroker?

Yup, I voted Obama, Prior to that I voted for Kerry, Prior to that I voted Bush (this one I want to take back). I even donated a ton of money to Obama's campaign, and caucused for him. I was even at the Xcel center and watched him clinch the Democratic Nomination. How about you, are you involved in the democratic process other than bitching about it?

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PowerStroker wrote:

SELLC wrote:

It was Clinton whom created all this mess with regards to the banking system.

He is the one whom got China to give banks all that bloody money, which in turn artificially raised the worth of homes. Hell you had $30,000 shacks getting bank loans for $100,000+

How about NAFTA?

Actually this started with Reagan, it was continued with the first Bush, Clinton pussed out and did nothing to stop it so you're right about that, and the 2nd Bush put these policies on Steroids. By the time Obama took office he was left with nothing but bad choices.

Thats pretty SORRY if you ask me. Sure I am willing to agree that even Republicans are human and make errors, however they dont eat their own. Need an example? Hillary Clinton whom bashed the shit out of Obama during the race, now kisses Obama ass. How about Obama's buddy Blago? What happend to him after the big Zero got in office? Need it another way? Mitt Romney stood aside for his party, likley not a good thing because he had my vote, but he didnt eat his own.

You know they claim their was a BODY COUNT over White-Water don't you?

I have my suspicions about that too, but don't think for a second that only Dems "whack" people. Either way, the White Water scandal has nothing to do with our countries economic problems.

I think what I have said above about covers this. Sure the Republicans prolly "Whack" people... But not their own. Thats a quality that I admire and will be drawn to. I think they have a word for it too... Its called being TRUE to your crew.

By the time Bush got in there we already had people so pissed off they were running planes into sky scrapers.

Oh yeah, this is Clinton and Obama's fault too I'm sure.

I have head many people stating that Obama is part Muslim. You have access to the V8 Cafe, didnt you read about his swearing in on the Koran? So yeah, maybe. Im quite sure that Clinton's "Black hawk down" opperation is what pissed them off. He tried to wage war and keep it from everyone. Nothing will piss someone off more than a coward. Thats why you best be worried with the big Zero.

If anything Bush is the only reason this country has not suffered the same sorts of attacks, and to me, thats what the presidents job is.

Except that 911 thing that happened on Bush's watch, even though he and Condi were warned and ignored the warnings. The president's job is to uphold, protect, and defend the CONSTITUTION. Bush FAILED at that. Without our constitution we are nothing. It was Ben Franklin who said "Anyone who is willing to sacrifice civil liberties to gain a little temporary security - deserves neither liberty nor security."

Yes it happend under the watch of Bush. Just eight months into his Presidency that unfortunate event happend. I truly feel that he carried that with him for the next 7 years and will for the rest of his life. I say that because I feel that Bush really does love America. Unlike Obama's wife whom said "Americans are mean".

Lets talk about this recession that were in, while we at it.... While Bush was in office things were slow going in terms of the economy, and rightfully so since we were at war. It wasn't until your buddy Obama started flapping his trap about how we are in a recession that everyone else just thought "It must be true".

Wrong, it was BUSH and his treasury secretary Hank Paulsen who knew we were on an unsustainable path and ignored it until they had to come to congress with their tail between their legs and ask for 700 Billion to recapitalize the banks who failed due to the systematic deregulation of the financial industry which lead to a collapse. The deregulation by the way was a Republican policy.

No you are WRONG! Bush did not want to create an even bigger problem by getting everyone down in the dumps. I am sure he knew some companies were failing, and that he would have let them fail if it werent for the tree huggers and the other side trying to use it to steal the Presidency. You know Bush made the TARP just to help his party. It was a double edged knife, one that he knew would help his party, yet should it be passed to the Democrats they would fuck it up. Much like they are doing now, because they are the ones whom created this mass panic. Instead of people saying "I cant afford it" now they can blame it on the recession. Now there is little the big Zero can do, and really I think he wants to run the country into the ground. So its WIN/WIN for him.

I think most of consumer spending has shriveld up because now everyone wants to say "Oh were in a recession" rather than "I cant afford it".

We are in a recession, even the Republicans agree. A recession isn't some arbitrary term, it's defined by 6 consecutive quarters of negative growth. Do you deny that what we are in qualifies?

No. I can remember it being worse than this. The negative growth was due to war, the housing market, and skillful folks whom got the recession lingo going well before Obama announced his running. It was all well planed. Black dude, hard upbrining, family member dying the night before election day. Say what you will.

Did you vote last year PowerStroker?

Yup, I voted Obama, Prior to that I voted for Kerry, Prior to that I voted Bush (this one I want to take back). I even donated a ton of money to Obama's campaign, and caucused for him. I was even at the Xcel center and watched him clinch the Democratic Nomination. How about you, are you involved in the democratic process other than bitching about it?

Yes I was invited to have dinner with Bush and I am a registered Republican. I did like Clinton up until all his scandles come out, then when I learned he cheated on his wife, well that was the nail in the coffin for the Dems. You just cant trust them. Self serving and no honor.
I hope you were right about the big Zero. I really do. This is one time I would be happy to say I am wrong, however it will be quite some time before any of us can tell, however from what I have seen, you will be wishing you had not.

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SELLC wrote:

Thats pretty SORRY if you ask me. Sure I am willing to agree that even Republicans are human and make errors, however they don't eat their own. Need an example? Hillary Clinton whom bashed the shit out of Obama during the race, now kisses Obama ass. How about Obama's buddy Blago? What happened to him after the big Zero got in office? Need it another way? Mitt Romney stood aside for his party, likely not a good thing because he had my vote, but he didn't eat his own.

Republicans do too eat their own, remember Scooter Libby? Blago and Obama were never friends, did you ever once see Blago campaign for Obama. Romney is the biggest empty shirt in your party.

I think what I have said above about covers this. Sure the Republicans prolly "Whack" people... But not their own. Thats a quality that I admire and will be drawn to. I think they have a word for it too... Its called being TRUE to your crew.

Again Scooter Libby comes to mind. That and all of the Republican appointed US attorneys that were fired for not using their power for the political gain of the party. I'm actually a lot more worried about the ones that didn't get fired.

I have head many people stating that Obama is part Muslim. You have access to the V8 Cafe, didn't you read about his swearing in on the Koran? So yeah, maybe. I'm quite sure that Clinton's "Black hawk down" operation is what pissed them off. He tried to wage war and keep it from everyone. Nothing will piss someone off more than a coward. Thats why you best be worried with the big Zero.

Obama was not sworn in on the Koran, That is right wing Propaganda put out their so weak minded followers like you get all riled up. The politician who did get sworn in on the Koran was MN Congressman Keith Ellison, and he used Thomas Jefferson's Koran. Serving in government is a secular office so it doesn't matter what religion you are. I'm actually Glad we finally have a Muslim in congress. How can we have a Representative government if only one of our countries religions is represented?

Yes it happened under the watch of Bush. Just eight months into his Presidency that unfortunate event happened. I truly feel that he carried that with him for the next 7 years and will for the rest of his life. I say that because I feel that Bush really does love America. Unlike Obama's wife whom said "Americans are mean".

Believe it or not George bush AND Michelle Obama both love our country.

No you are WRONG! Bush did not want to create an even bigger problem by getting everyone down in the dumps. I am sure he knew some companies were failing, and that he would have let them fail if it weren't for the tree huggers and the other side trying to use it to steal the Presidency. You know Bush made the TARP just to help his party. It was a double edged knife, one that he knew would help his party, yet should it be passed to the Democrats they would fuck it up. Much like they are doing now, because they are the ones whom created this mass panic. Instead of people saying "I cant afford it" now they can blame it on the recession. Now there is little the big Zero can do, and really I think he wants to run the country into the ground. So its WIN/WIN for him.

You're right, Bush didn't want to destroy our economy, its just that his flawed economic views resulted in this outcome. I'd actually like to see more Republican tree huggers. I think Arnold is leaning that direction so good on him. The mass panic isn't made up to benefit any political party, it is a real result of 30 years of failed "trickle down" supply side Reagonomics which has done more to screw the working class than even Hoover did.

No. I can remember it being worse than this. The negative growth was due to war, the housing market, and skillful folks whom got the recession lingo going well before Obama announced his running. It was all well planed. Black dude, hard upbringing, family member dying the night before election day. Say what you will.

Which war? the "elective" one in Iraq, or the necessary one in Afghanistan. The housing market you say eh, wasn't it Alan Greenspan the Libertarian free market Ian Rand believer who inflated that bubble as an attempt to prove the economy can regulate itself? Oh yeah, Obama was a lock and this was all planned. That's why it was expected for years that Hillary would walk away with the Presidency without breaking a sweat.

Yes I was invited to have dinner with Bush and I am a registered Republican. I did like Clinton up until all his scandals come out, then when I learned he cheated on his wife, well that was the nail in the coffin for the Dems. You just cant trust them. Self serving and no honor.
I hope you were right about the big Zero. I really do. This is one time I would be happy to say I am wrong, however it will be quite some time before any of us can tell, however from what I have seen, you will be wishing you had not.
Guess what douche bag, JOHN McCAIN CHEATED ON HIS WIFE

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Could you please provide some documented proof of this?

Did he cheat on his wife in the oval office? While being paid with tax payer dollars? All the while taking up much time and resorces of the American people?

Republicans are human. But I still wanna see that effing proof... Get me a link because I heard nothing of this stuff you speak.

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http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/why-doesnt-john-mccains-a_b_117811.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/952729/how_is_john_mccains_affair_with_second.html

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0607.benen.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

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Damn...

Well did I ever tell you my first pick was Romney!?

LOL

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But Romney made his fortune by "pumping and dumping" companies. He'd buy businesses, completely dismantel them and layoff everyone, then sell whats left to the competition for a profit. Yay, that's exactly what we need more of these days. NOT

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You got an answer for everything dont you?

Sounds like someone with the ability to Pump and Dump is what we need right about now anyway! What with all these business crying the blues looking for handouts.

Romney ran a good campaign. His ads were spirited and uplifting, he used the internet much like Obama and he was a good speaker. Even though I did not like it when he left the race, I did enjoy what he said.

I hope Romney runs for president in the next election. I would be willing to bet he could have cleaned Obamas clock had he not stepped aside for McCain. Things being what they were, I am sure he stepped aside for a good reason.

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What are your thoughts on single payer universal health care? I'm in favor of it personally.

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I think that just like everything else it has its goods and it has its bads.

We will start with the bad's

- Possibility of medical records being hacked or accessed by government
- Loss of professional doctors whom will refuse to take a pay cut leaving us with idiots who are not driven to perform outside the box.
- Long waits to get procedures done
- Possiblity of being treated like a number rather than a paying customer
- Government controls everything and may require things we do not wish done

Possible Goods-

- Medical Bankruptsy will be eleminated
- More people will be able to seak care (This could be bad though if the hospital is crowed with people who feel they should now goto the doctor if they cough)
- Dont have to pay out expensive health care premiums
- Possibly eleminate test that are not needed (But this could be bad also as people with money may consider this a step down)

Thats just all I can come up with off the top of my head. If they do implement some form of single payer insurance, it could mean the end of the USA being the leader in healthcare professionals, as they are not likley to take pay cuts. Remember we are talking about professionals here. How would you take to the government saying there should be one-pay auto-repairs, and that you have to haggle with the government every time you want to get paid? Lest we forget they try and skimp on hours and such.

Could be good, however everything I hear from people with one-pay insurance in other countries is that there is a LONG wait to have procedures done. Often times they complain the service is not all that great. More or less the take it or leave it approach. So what happens when you need a second opinion? Well thats the kind of stuff you wont realize until we have socialized heathcare.

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Socialism eh? Is that why you like Mitt Romney so much?

http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/health_ins/

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Interesting read... However I am not much for Socialism as you claim.

If you read your own article you can clearly see that there is a Kennedy standing behind him... You do know the political alignment of the Kennedy family dont you?

Anyway Romney has many children and ran a good campaign. Ill be looking for him to run in the next election.

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PowerStroker wrote:

SELLC wrote:

Republicans do too eat their own, remember Scooter Libby? Blago and Obama were never friends, did you ever once see Blago campaign for Obama. Romney is the biggest empty shirt in your party.

I am sorry but you better check your facts! OBAMA IS THE EMPTY SUIT! Romney was born into politics. Unlike your little Obama. There was a good reason ole Blago did not campaign for Obama, and I think its clear why.
I think you need to check your history there buddy, Bush pardoned ole' scooter. So NO Bush did NOT eat his own!

Again Scooter Libby comes to mind. That and all of the Republican appointed US attorneys that were fired for not using their power for the political gain of the party. I'm actually a lot more worried about the ones that didn't get fired.

I think you worry too much about the WRONG things. What you SHOULD be worried about is OBAMA and their policy of eating their own. If they will eat their own, they will have you for breakfast.

Obama was not sworn in on the Koran, That is right wing Propaganda put out their so weak minded followers like you get all riled up. The politician who did get sworn in on the Koran was MN Congressman Keith Ellison, and he used Thomas Jefferson's Koran. Serving in government is a secular office so it doesn't matter what religion you are. I'm actually Glad we finally have a Muslim in congress. How can we have a Representative government if only one of our countries religions is represented?

I am sure you are glad about a lot of things given the fact you would love to see America fail. Thats why you voted for Obama. You bought into all his bull shit and now your just too stuborn to admit you were wrong. I didnt care much for Jefferson, but I would like to see some PROOF that Jeffersons Koran was used for anything but leasure reading. Nice try though.

Believe it or not George bush AND Michelle Obama both love our country.

I disagree with the you regarding Obama and Michelle "Loving" our country. Meanwhile Obama is overseas right now BASHING America and trying to chum up with the arabs. God only knows how Michelle will screw up the heath care, but if her sence of fashion is any indicator, we will all die waiting to get into the doctor. You are aware she worked at a Hospital in Chicago right? I can see she will be more for the DR's than the patients.

You're right, Bush didn't want to destroy our economy, its just that his flawed economic views resulted in this outcome. I'd actually like to see more Republican tree huggers. I think Arnold is leaning that direction so good on him. The mass panic isn't made up to benefit any political party, it is a real result of 30 years of failed "trickle down" supply side Reagonomics which has done more to screw the working class than even Hoover did.

Bush was at war protecting the American people for all but one year of his presidency. He completed his goals and even gave your buddy Obama a whole shit load of TARP money entering into his presidency. If anything Obama was handed a war that was finished and a boat load of money to fix the aftermath. Thats a lot more than our friend Obama will leave for his sucessor... BET YOU! Arnold is and always was a pussy, I used to watch him whine about getting hurt making movies on TV. He is a good actor, but I dont think he is good in politics. Likley the only reason he got into politics was because of the fact he was in so many movies and people felt they knew him. If he makes a turn to tree hugging, it wont suprise me.

Which war? the "elective" one in Iraq, or the necessary one in Afghanistan. The housing market you say eh, wasn't it Alan Greenspan the Libertarian free market Ian Rand believer who inflated that bubble as an attempt to prove the economy can regulate itself? Oh yeah, Obama was a lock and this was all planned. That's why it was expected for years that Hillary would walk away with the Presidency without breaking a sweat.

You tree huggers make me SICK! The war in Iraq took down a major terror contributor. I bet you think the world would be a better place with Saddam still in power dont you? You are aware that Saddam tried to have our President killed dont you? You are blind to the facts and your ignorance shows in your thinking that Hillary would walk away with the Presidency. LOL, I needed a good laugh!

-- Edited by SELLC on Wednesday 8th of April 2009 05:12:39 PM

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Interesting read... However I am not much for Socialism as you claim.

If you read your own article you can clearly see that there is a Kennedy standing behind him... You do know the political alignment of the Kennedy family dont you?

Yeah, I love the Kennedys because I'm a socialist.

Anyway Romney has many children and ran a good campaign. Ill be looking for him to run in the next election.

Having lots of babies qualifies someone to be president??? Didn't John F Kennedy have lots of babies too? I don't think whether someone breeds in litters has anything to do with their ability to operate our government.

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Yeah, I love the Kennedys because I'm a socialist.

I dont have a problem with the Kennedys, but the point, that which flew right over your head, is the fact that your people were involved also.

Having lots of babies qualifies someone to be president??? Didn't John F Kennedy have lots of babies too? I don't think whether someone breeds in litters has anything to do with their ability to operate our government.

I agree, however I tend to think of people with familes tend to care a little bit more about things in the long run than the wild and free single folks. Its true too, as they dont want their children growing up in a shit hole of a country. Lest we forget about Obama whom promised his kids a dog when he won the White House, yet broke his promise to his OWN KIDS. Not a very good sign... And before you go on about some BS allergies, may I remind you he is the President, and the White House is quite a large "Home", with many people to tend a care for the beast. I know for a FACT that kids love dogs, and would never have sneezed at the idea of taking a little allergy syurp every now and again. Then there is the kicker.... How did they know about these allergies if they never got the dog? You mean to tell me that after making the promise to their kids, they all of a sudden learned of these allergies? BULL CHIT! I think its a good sign of things to come, as if he does his own family this way, screwing all us should be childs play for him. Face it, your a sucker PowerStroker.

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I am sorry but you better check your facts! OBAMA IS THE EMPTY SUIT! Romney was born into politics. Unlike your little Obama. There was a good reason ole Blago did not campaign for Obama, and I think its clear why.
I think you need to check your history there buddy, Bush pardoned ole' scooter. So NO Bush did NOT eat his own!

I was under the impression that someone who is born into a dynasty is more of an empty suit than someone who worked to build his own. Bush didn't pardon Scooter, he only commuted his sentence. That's beside the fact though, because Bush became president of the entire US and not just Republicans, he ate several of his own citizens by virtue of his failure to uphold the Constitution.

I think you worry too much about the WRONG things. What you SHOULD be worried about is OBAMA and their policy of eating their own. If they will eat their own, they will have you for breakfast.

I'd be glad to serve our country in such a way. Exactly who has Obama eaten anyway???

I am sure you are glad about a lot of things given the fact you would love to see America fail. Thats why you voted for Obama. You bought into all his bull shit and now your just too stuborn to admit you were wrong. I didnt care much for Jefferson, but I would like to see some PROOF that Jeffersons Koran was used for anything but leasure reading. Nice try though.

I voted Obama because I was tired of watching this country be destroyed by the Republican economic royalists. Can you name one Policy innitiative they put forward that actually improved the lives of working class people under 30 in the last 8 years? Here is the article you requested. I believe Jefferson was a Christian, but wanted it clear that there should be a seperation of church and state. If you do some research on him you will find this to be true.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6718662

I disagree with the you regarding Obama and Michelle "Loving" our country. Meanwhile Obama is overseas right now BASHING America and trying to chum up with the arabs. God only knows how Michelle will screw up the heath care, but if her sence of fashion is any indicator, we will all die waiting to get into the doctor. You are aware she worked at a Hospital in Chicago right? I can see she will be more for the DR's than the patients.

That's why she volunteers at a soup kitchen huh? Did Laura Bush ever do that?

Bush was at war protecting the American people for all but one year of his presidency. He completed his goals and even gave your buddy Obama a whole shit load of TARP money entering into his presidency. If anything Obama was handed a war that was finished and a boat load of money to fix the aftermath. Thats a lot more than our friend Obama will leave for his sucessor... BET YOU! Arnold is and always was a pussy, I used to watch him whine about getting hurt making movies on TV. He is a good actor, but I dont think he is good in politics. Likley the only reason he got into politics was because of the fact he was in so many movies and people felt they knew him. If he makes a turn to tree hugging, it wont suprise me.

Bush spent half of the TARP in the form of handouts to Wall Street, Obama is only left with the other half and it will take a whole lot more to fix the economy. Nobody has paid for the war yet. It is projected to cost 3 Trillion when you factor everything including health care for the wounded troops for the rest of their lives. Bush never included the costs of the war into the budget. If you don't like high taxes, why do you like war so much. You do realize they are expensive don't you? You do realize a month in Iraq costs you more than all of the wellfare our country gives out in a year don't you? What is more important to you Rex... Your hatred toward Muslims, or your hatred for Taxes??? You can't have it both ways.

You tree huggers make me SICK! The war in Iraq took down a major terror contributor. I bet you think the world would be a better place with Saddam still in power dont you? You are aware that Saddam tried to have our President killed dont you? You are blind to the facts and your ignorance shows in your thinking that Hillary would walk away with the Presidency. LOL, I needed a good laugh!

Why do you hate the planet so much? Global climate change is real. 99.9% of the worlds climate scientists don't make shit up just to politically bennefit one party in one country. Saddam had nothing to do with 911, he did not have a nuclear program or any connections to the alleged "yellowcake uranium" that scooter took the fall for when Cheeney outed covert operative Valerie Plame as political revenge for her husband having told the truth. "don't eat their own" my ass. Saddam was a dink, true, but he also kept Iran in check. Now he is gone and Iran has become a much bigger threat to our allies than they or Saddam ever were. This failure of American foreign policy will surely end up costing you more in taxes too, but i'm sure you'll just blame those Dems again.

-- Edited by SELLC on Wednesday 8th of April 2009 05:12:39 PM

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Yes I did mis-use the term Pardon. Very sorry.. He did commute his sentance, which while not the exact same, its really a lot like a pardon dont you agree?

Someone once told me there is a time to realize that we can agree that we do not agree. I think we have reached this point.

The cost of war in Iraq is a small price to pay in the big picture. As with most wars, the looser ends up paying the bill. You know that.

Do you feel that our action in Germany in the Hitler days was wrong and not worth the money and life spent?

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Yes I did mis-use the term Pardon. Very sorry.. He did commute his sentance, which while not the exact same, its really a lot like a pardon dont you agree?

Someone once told me there is a time to realize that we can agree that we do not agree. I think we have reached this point.

The cost of war in Iraq is a small price to pay in the big picture. As with most wars, the looser ends up paying the bill. You know that.
Do you feel that our action in Germany in the Hitler days was wrong and not worth the money and life spent?

No, WW2 was a just war that needed to be faught. Just like Afghanistan. I feel however the cost-bennefit ratio of Iraq is already worse than Vietnam, but you're right, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

You're still a putz

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PowerStroker wrote:

Saddam was a dink, true, but he also kept Iran in check. Now he is gone and Iran has become a much bigger threat to our allies than they or Saddam ever were. This failure of American foreign policy will surely end up costing you more in taxes too, but i'm sure you'll just blame those Dems again.

So you think Saddam was a tool to keep Iran in check huh? Man you just blew it... You know that Saddam was commiting genicide? You know he tried to kill one of our presidents? You know he was just an asshole in general and HATED America?

Man you are ignorant. No one fits the bill of "There is a sucker born every minute" more than you.

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Our "liberation" has killed more Iraqis in 5 years than Saddams Genocide did in 30.

There have been American citizens who have tried or succeeded in killing some of our Presidents. Does that mean we should execute mass punishment on all American citizens and declare marshall law?

I'd rather put this effort in to catching Usama Bin Laden... Remember him, the guy who actually attacked us?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

Our "liberation" has killed more Iraqis in 5 years than Saddams Genocide did in 30.

There have been American citizens who have tried or succeeded in killing some of our Presidents. Does that mean we should execute mass punishment on all American citizens and declare marshall law?

I'd rather put this effort in to catching Usama Bin Laden... Remember him, the guy who actually attacked us?

Boy are you a peice of work... Between Saddam and his kids raping women and killing his own people I think your claims are un-founded. Iraq was given fair notice before the "Shock and Awe", the other people in Iraq whom were killed were mostly rebels trying to kill our troops. Yes war is bloody and the thought of innocent kids getting killed in cross-fire deeply hurts EVERYONE. However when these assholes are straping guns on kids under the age of 10 and using them as human shields it leaves very little justification.

Saddam was known to kill people just because he didnt like the way they looked at him. Saddams kids were known to rape women and kill them when they were done. They also killed a man just for driving on their private road. Dont tell me about humanity... Its people like you whom should have been sent there while he was alive and in power, IF and I mean IF you made it back after a week I am willing to bet your little smart ass wouldnt be so cocky.

Thats the fucking problem with Americans... They have it so damn good they want to play the bleeding heart for people whom just assume kill you than look at you.

Bin Laden has and always will be a puppet. He has NO POWER, NO LAND, and no Army. You would have rather us wasted time and money chasing down a puppet rather than taking down the true threat.... The dictator Saddam who had Land, Power and an Army. Saddam used chemical weppons on his own people yet you come in here whining about how we should get rid of nukes and seek clean bombs. You are such a hypocrite!

Regarding your silly ass statement about Wilks Booth and Oswald... These two assholes were American yes... But they were not in control of anything but themself, therefore the need to punish all of America for their actions is just plain ignorant. They were captured an punished. May they fucking burn in hell!

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I never denied that Saddam was a brutal prick, I'm just saying he may have been more valuable alive as a counterweight to keep Iran in check. If you disagree that's fair enough, the topic is debatable and probably has no right answer.

So we should ignore Bin Laden because he doesn't represent a specific country? Then when he attacks us we should just pick the biggest asshole in the region (Saddam) and start a war against his country that takes longer than WW2 and costs nearly as much in inflation adjusted dollars even though he had nothing to do with the 911 attacks that got us so pissed in the first place. And then use the brutality and rape that he and his sons did as a justification for this foolhardy venture?

Geez, if we're going to be the worlds police, we may as well go after the people who actually attacked us first whether they be an individual or a nation. And then when that's done, if we're still lusting for a battle and decide to change the regeme of anyone who was involved in any brutality, lets just hope we don't look in the mirror, and lets also hope our great grandchildren can afford this.

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I love it when people try spinning this off on our grandchilden... Dont let these bastards blow smoke up your ass. If we fail to act now there will be no grandchildren.

These people are dirty rotten bastards, they want to see us dead. They dont give a shit about themselfs. Self preservation is not an instinct they possess. If they didnt have us to hate, they would kill each other.

Sure catching bin-laden would be a plus as he seems to be a symbol to many of these radical towel heads, however I can pretty much assure you that most people wouldnt want to be caught dead around him because they know what kind of trouble he is in and how bad we want him. I still say Saddam was the greater threat, and now that he has been taken out of power many want to act like it was not a big deal.

I think we can keep Iran in check without ole Saddam. What worries me is Barrak Hussain Obama... You know that guys real name is Bary dont you? What was his motive for changing his name? He is not a movie star! He is a bull-shitter.

We dont have to debate this topic about Saddam, it has already been done. One correct answer is better than a thousand false suggestions... Obama is full of suggestions, but lacks the answers. This is why I worry.

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I'm going to go argue with a brick wall now. I think it will be more productive.

nighty night Rex.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

All in all were just another brick in the wall.....

We dont need no education....