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The Dalai Lama... Why does China government hate him so?


If you would have asked me 10 years ago who the Dalai Lama was I would have replied "An Animal". LOL Seems I am not the only one who thinks that too, however most recently he has been transformed into a tool to piss off China.

What I have learned of the Dalai Lama is that he's a very odd looking fellow. Usually shown with a goofy looking smile and diffrent multi color robes of all sorts. Goofy as he may look, he seems like a nice enough fellow.

Seems he was exiled back in the 1950's from China, to move to tibet, Taiwan. Seeings how the China government still considers Taiwan "Their Island", it comes as no suprise that China ordered President Obama not to meet with the exhiled buddhist. I guess when your President bows like a servant to the people in China, they start to think they can tell you what to do. Not the case with Bush, as the people of China knew damn well he wasnt going to be bullied.



Apparently this guy is part of the reason China claims to have droped out from nucular talks a long while ago. Amazing that the people of China will go to such great pains to shut him out.

This is a good read if you got the time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35191073/ns/world_news-asiapacific

We once thought Stoma was the Dalai Lama as they often dress in the same colors.




-- Edited by SELLC on Tuesday 2nd of February 2010 08:51:49 AM

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Rex, you really need to get your info and your geography correct. Yes, Taiwan is an island. Good job. But Taiwan IS NOT the same as Tibet. Tibetans ARE NOT claiming this as "their island"!! Tibet is a region in western China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_Autonomous_Region

Many Tibetans upset with China have moved to India, including the current DALAI LAMA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama

And if you still can't get it right I will have to refer you to the 18 Tibetans that I work with. They'd love to tell you how you're WRONG!

Better luck next time.

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Thats good to know. See not to long ago I thought the Dalai Lama was an animal! LOL, Ill take your word for it that Tibet is not part of Taiwan. When I read the story I thought thats what it said. But thanks for clearing that up for me.

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WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A FUDGE PACKING CUM BUCKET LIKE REX?????????? A GEOGRAPHY EXPERT????? THE SHIT STAIN PROBABLY HASN'T EVEN LEFT THE US EVER SINCE ILLEGALLY SNEAKING IN!!!!!!!!!


GET A JOB, GREEN CARD AND AN EDUCATION YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Green cards are for immigrants like you Stoma...

People like me carry Social Security Cards, but if Obama has is way the Green Card will be the way to go, as he bankrupts Social Security.


Pretty soon SS numbers will only be used for identification.


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Obama-Dalai Lama Meet Shows U.S., China Stay Rivals

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Obama defies China with Dalai Lama meetingAFPTV  Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has opened a visit to the United States to meet 

Feb. 18 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama goes into todays meeting with the Dalai Lama on notice that it will anger Chinas leadership and add tension to an already strained relationship.

That isnt likely to fray economic ties secured by $366 billion of mutual trade and $755 billion in Chinese-held U.S. Treasury bills, according to analysts.

And the path to a more constructive overall relationship may lie in both sides dropping any pretense at friendship and acknowledging they are competitors as much as partners, said Yan Xuetong, director of the Institute of International Studies at Tsinghua University in Beijing.

If China and the U.S. identified each other as rivals I dont think they would be disappointed with each other, Yan said. Both sides pretend to be friends. Actually, they are not.

Relations have suffered recently as the U.S. announced a planned $6.4 billion arms sale to Taiwan, Google Inc. threatened to exit China on the grounds that user e-mail accounts were being hacked and China taxed American chicken imports after the U.S. imposed tariffs on Chinese tires. The two countries also have differed on steps to halt global warming and nuclear programs in North Korea and Iran.

Chinas Foreign Ministry on Feb. 4 rejected Obamas call to strengthen the Chinese currency, saying that accusations and pressure will not help solve the issue.

Cruising Altitude

All this since U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman told reporters during Obamas November visit that the relationship was at a cruising altitude that is higher than any other time in recent memory.

Still, there is little chance that these differences will fundamentally damage the network of economic and political ties that China expert Orville Schell calls the most important bilateral relationship in the world today. He is director of the Asia Societys Center on U.S.-China Relations in New York.

In a positive sign, the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier and four other U.S. warships yesterday anchored in Hong Kong, where more than 5,000 sailors will get shore leave.

In 2007, China prevented the USS Kitty Hawk from visiting the city, with Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao saying China was angered that President George W. Bush met the Dalai Lama and presented him with the Congressional Gold Medal. Although China belatedly approved the port-call, the fleet had already turned back.

Ratchet Down

I dont see anything that could destabilize the relationship right now, said Elizabeth Economy, director of Asia studies at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. Leaders on both sides will ratchet this back down at an appropriate time, but not right now, because a little chest- thumping serves domestic purposes.

Neither nation can afford to sabotage the economic relationship, said Carl Lantz, an interest-rate strategist at Credit Suisse Group AG in New York.

We are kind of joined at the hip economically, Lantz said. People refer to it as Chimerica, and in general its worked out relatively well, where they finance our borrowing and consumption and we buy their exports to finance their social stability.

Chinas holdings of U.S. Treasuries have increased more than 10-fold in the past decade, from $71.7 billion in 2000 to $755.4 billion in December.

Largest Creditor

China surpassed Japan as the largest creditor abroad to the U.S. in September 2008, although it fell back to second place in December when its Treasury holdings declined for the second consecutive month, the Treasury Department said on Feb. 16. China allowed its short-term Treasury bills to mature and replaced them with a smaller amount of longer-term notes and bonds, the Treasury data showed.

The December reduction in Chinas holdings didnt prompt a sell-off in U.S. bonds as investors focused instead on an overall increase in foreign holdings of U.S. Treasuries, which rose by a net $69.9 billion. The yield on the benchmark 10-year note fell three basis points, or 0.03 percentage point, to 3.66 percent on Feb. 16, according to BGCantor Market data.

The Obama administration is also convinced that the recent tensions wont fundamentally change the countries relationship, said an administration official who asked not to be identified out of concern for Chinese sensitivities.

Cancellation Request

That hasnt stopped both sides from trading rhetorical blows.

China demanded last week that Obama cancel the meeting with the Dalai Lama, even though Obama informed Chinese President Hu Jintao during his Beijing visit that he planned to receive the Tibetan leader, according to the administration official.

The U.S. also told China in advance of the Taiwan arms sale, the official said.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she expected China to conduct a thorough investigation of charges from Mountain View, California-based Google that hackers had entered e-mail accounts it hosted belonging to Chinese dissidents. Free access to information and protecting what she called the basic rights of Internet users is essential, Clinton said.

Such exchanges may paradoxically allow both countries to pursue their own agendas and work together on larger issues without fear of domestic backlash, said Robert Barnett, director of Modern Tibetan Studies at Columbia University in New York.

More Confident?

Were seeing a slightly more confident America, which is trying to communicate that distinction between interests and values, Barnett said.

Visits by the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader are a perpetual irritant to China. It has opposed any outside pressure on how the country runs Tibet, which was brought under its rule after a military invasion in 1950.

The Dalai Lama has met with every U.S. president since George H.W. Bush in 1991. While China has exacted diplomatic punishment on leaders who met him -- it canceled a China- European Union summit after French President Nicolas Sarkozy met the Dalai Lama in 2008 -- trade relations have been little affected, said Schell.

China received the Dalai Lamas envoys at the first talks on Tibet in 15 months, which ended Feb. 1. Chinas top negotiator rejected calls for greater autonomy for the region, the Tibetan exile administration said.

Douglas Paal, vice-president of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, said the discussions probably were partly to prepare for the effect the Obama meeting could have on Chinese public opinion.

More is imputed to these meetings than actually occurs, said Paal, who was at the White House National Security Council from 1989 to 1993. Presidents have to check the political box of seeing the Dalai Lama.

To contact the reporters on this story: Peter S. Green in New York at psgreen@bloomberg.net Edwin Chen in Washington at EChen32@bloomberg.net



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PowerStroker! Where have you been buddy!?

I havent had anyone to talk politics with lately! You guys been busy at the dealer or something?

Interesting read that posting above! What do you think China will do to piss us off now that Obama met the Dalai Lama agenst their wishes?

For the record I feel Obama meeting the Dalai Lama was a wise move. I was starting to think he had a soft spot for China.


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And the path to a more constructive overall relationship may lie in both sides dropping any pretense at friendship and acknowledging they are competitors as much as partners, said Yan Xuetong, director of the Institute of International Studies at Tsinghua University in Beijing.

If China and the U.S. identified each other as rivals I dont think they would be disappointed with each other, Yan said. Both sides pretend to be friends. Actually, they are not.


I think this portion above defines our Friendship PowerStroker... Hell I think it defines this entire forum, and you know what? There is NOTHING WRONG with that.

EXCEPT THE FACT THAT ITS TIME FOR OBAMA TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD!

Time for Obama to make sure America can compete with coutries only paying their workers $4200 per year with a huge tax on their exports, but not before making sure he has built up American business to fill that gap. What I mean is he sould start focusing on Computer Chips and hardware manufacturing rather than making this big Green Energy push... To be honest the two are one in the same, without the modern electronic chips and such there wont be much hope for us and green energy without boosting China's economy anyway.

I want to buy an American made DVD player! I want to buy an American Made TV set. I am tired of all my computer componets saying "Made in China". I would rather them say MADE IN USA.

I sure hope this was just the "First Step" for Obama. I hope he follows with a left and right hook that knocks China back down to size while giving the American companies the advantage it has long seen China have. While we will never be able to compete with the awful wages China pays, we can fill the gap with export taxes that funnel that money China is saving on cheap labor into Americans pockets.

Time for Obama to start playing ball. First thing I have agreed with Obama in a long time.

 



-- Edited by SELLC on Thursday 18th of February 2010 03:17:14 PM

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Glad to hear we see eye to eye on this one Rex! You're coming along nicely.

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I guess China recently got themselves another Monk.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/01/21/china-tibetan-monk-dies-beating-custody#

Sorry about the out there news desk, it's all Google could muster at the top.



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