Despite moratorium, drilling projects continue

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Big Oil Spill

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

It happened on Obama's watch so it's Obama's fault.

Why do we need more government regulation? The current regulation does not work, what is more bureaucracy going to achieve? It's a total joke to think that more regulation will do anything but make people that sit on their ass all day get paid more for doing nothing. Are you trying to say that Democrats can not be bribed or be made to feel differently if given large sums of money?

How in the hell could you even bring up USDMM after what Bill Clinton did? I dont care if single people want to pay women to show them their body!? I do however care when an elected official SUCH AS THE PRESIDENT decides to cheat on his wife in the oval office while getting paid by Americans to run the country.

It is not the government that is fixing the problem, it is BP. Had we waited for the Obama Administration to do something the earth would have already bled out in to the ocean by now.

Yes it is unfortunate. Deep water drilling a mile under water is risky. I do however think this disaster will forever change the regulations for drilling off shore. I myself do not dismiss an act of terror or sabotage, especially after learning about that a North Korean sub that sunk a South Korean battle cruiser. Lest we forget Deep Water Horizon was a stones throw from Cuba.

Us arguing about it will not clean the Gulf any faster. We drive cars; heat our bath water and homes. We use BBQ grills and gas stoves/ovens.

Government regulations often times make things worse than better. Every time I call to bitch about a bill with a regulated company they often times hide behind these regulations to stick it to the consumer. What the hell is wrong with you PowerStroker? You know who is going to pay for these increased regulations dont you? US!

The Obama administration seems to be doing a wonderful job of separating the union. We now have California threatening to BoycottAZ which is total bullshit. They just dont want all these illegals moving from AZ to CA.

What about that volcano that recently erupted!? How much of a carbon footprint do you think that thing will leave? Earthquakes? Hurricanes? All of these things are what I consider a disaster. I consider the oil spill to be a disaster too but unlike natural disasters this kind of disaster can be prevented in the future with what the oil companies have learned working to repair it.

Everyone is bitching at BP and yet they are still buying oil! And even your Boy Obama is still on-board when it comes to deep water drilling! I read that 20% of our oil comes from the Gulf, and unless you want to pay $14 a gallon for gasoline you better realize that no amount of money in the world is going to prevent mistakes from happening.

How long have they been drilling in the Gulf now? I am willing to bet that you think Nuclear energy is the way to go dont you?

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SELLC wrote:

It happened on Obama's watch so it's Obama's fault.

Which party is all about "Drill baby Drill"? Under who's term was the Deepwater Horizon Built? Which President stacked the governments offshore drilling regulation department with Libertarian cronies? Saying this is Obama's fault is like having Bush walk the bases loaded and blaming Obama for allowing one of Bush's walks to score while he's doing relief pitching. Total BULLSHIT and you know it. Bush spent 8 years setting up this country for failure. Just because sometimes his policies don't fail us until after he leaves office doesn't mean it's the current guy's fault... Especially when Obama ran on Energy reform among other things, but can't accomplish it due to Republican filibusters.

Why do we need more government regulation? The current regulation does not work,

The current regulation was intentionally watered down by pro oil company political hacks from the prior administration. I'm talking about REAL regulation, and yes, it will work.

what is more bureaucracy going to achieve? It's a total joke to think that more regulation will do anything but make people that sit on their ass all day get paid more for doing nothing. Are you trying to say that Democrats can not be bribed or be made to feel differently if given large sums of money?

I'm not saying all Dems are perfect, certainly we have some real assholes in my party. I'm saying a majority of Dems still believe in preventing problems like this through regulation, whereas the Republicans are categorically against doing anything that may increase oil company expenses even slightly if it would prevent a global disaster.

How in the hell could you even bring up USDMM after what Bill Clinton did? I don't care if single people want to pay women to show them their body!? I do however care when an elected official SUCH AS THE PRESIDENT decides to cheat on his wife in the oval office while getting paid by Americans to run the country.

See this is where we differ. I don't give a flying fuck if a Democrat or a Republican has a kinky sex life in the oval office, so long as they do their fucking job and keep big corporations from destroying our planet and our democracy.

It is not the government that is fixing the problem, it is BP. Had we waited for the Obama Administration to do something the earth would have already bled out in to the ocean by now.

This is the kind of problem that is difficult for anyone to solve whether it be the government or an oil company. It is for this reason that I stand by my statement that harsh regulations to prevent this kind of disaster are much more efficient than trying to deal with it once it's happened.

Yes it is unfortunate. Deep water drilling a mile under water is risky. I do however think this disaster will forever change the regulations for drilling off shore. I myself do not dismiss an act of terror or sabotage, especially after learning about that a North Korean sub that sunk a South Korean battle cruiser. Lest we forget Deep Water Horizon was a stones throw from Cuba.

If you have proof that North Korea attacked the platform I'll listen, till then I'm operating under the understanding that it was a large methane bubble as stated in the reports.

Us arguing about it will not clean the Gulf any faster. We drive cars; heat our bath water and homes. We use BBQ grills and gas stoves/ovens.

But our arguing about it may someday cause people who think like you to do some soul searching and realize how wrong you have been your entire life, and in turn, start voting for people who will regulate industry and avoid such disasters in the future. Thus our arguing about it may be productive... but only if you have the capacity to grow intellectually, which may be a stretch.

Government regulations often times make things worse than better. Every time I call to bitch about a bill with a regulated company they often times hide behind these regulations to stick it to the consumer. What the hell is wrong with you PowerStroker? You know who is going to pay for these increased regulations don't you? US!

You know who is going to pay for the cleanup and the loss of both the fishing and tourism industries don't you? US! Now you tell me whats cheaper.

The Obama administration seems to be doing a wonderful job of separating the union. We now have California threatening to BoycottAZ which is total bullshit. They just don't want all these illegals moving from AZ to CA.

How exactly can you blame Obama for the state of California boycotting Arizona? Is it cause he's black Rex?

What about that volcano that recently erupted!? How much of a carbon footprint do you think that thing will leave? Earthquakes? Hurricanes? All of these things are what I consider a disaster. I consider the oil spill to be a disaster too but unlike natural disasters this kind of disaster can be prevented in the future with what the oil companies have learned working to repair it.

"Learning through experience isn't the best teacher... It's just the most expensive one." A quote from my automatic transmission instructor in college.

Everyone is bitching at BP and yet they are still buying oil! And even your Boy Obama is still on-board when it comes to deep water drilling!

Actually he has said he is going to hold off on it until a thorough investigation has been done.

I read that 20% of our oil comes from the Gulf, and unless you want to pay $14 a gallon for gasoline you better realize that no amount of money in the world is going to prevent mistakes from happening.

You're operating under the assumption that we will choose to use fossil fuels forever. Obama wants to transition away from them as much as possible. Apparently the Republicans who receive much of their campaign donations from Big Oil are less enthusiastic about such a transition.

How long have they been drilling in the Gulf now? I am willing to bet that you think Nuclear energy is the way to go don't you?

Nuclear has a ton of problems too. I like solar, wind, hydroelectric, and geothermal a lot though.

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PowerStroker wrote:

Which party is all about "Drill baby Drill"? Under who's term was the Deepwater Horizon Built? Which President stacked the governments offshore drilling regulation department with Libertarian cronies? Saying this is Obama's fault is like having Bush walk the bases loaded and blaming Obama for allowing one of Bush's walks to score while he's doing relief pitching. Total BULLSHIT and you know it. Bush spent 8 years setting up this country for failure. Just because sometimes his policies don't fail us until after he leaves office doesn't mean it's the current guy's fault... Especially when Obama ran on Energy reform among other things, but can't accomplish it due to Republican filibusters.

Well actualy PowerStroker, the whole world is about "Drill baby Drill"! You think these people are out there sucking up dead dino's for fun? It's the DEMAND that cries "Drill baby Drill". It became Obama's fault when he agreed to expand off shore drilling after all his BS about clean energy. It's as much his baby now as the oil companies. I am pretty sure that JOKE of a healthcare plan he has will unfold on another President given the fact I doubt Obama will see a 2nd term.

The current regulation was intentionally watered down by pro oil company political hacks from the prior administration. I'm talking about REAL regulation, and yes, it will work.

REAL regulation? C'mon! Was that real regulation that killed all them miners who were digging for Obama's clean coal?

I'm not saying all Dems are perfect, certainly we have some real assholes in my party. I'm saying a majority of Dems still believe in preventing problems like this through regulation, whereas the Republicans are categorically against doing anything that may increase oil company expenses even slightly if it would prevent a global disaster.

Yeah we seen the Democrats idea of Regulation when they crammed healthcare reform down out throats. Ironic that ObamaCare is making so many sick, Democrats included.

See this is where we differ. I don't give a flying fuck if a Democrat or a Republican has a kinky sex life in the oval office, so long as they do their fucking job and keep big corporations from destroying our planet and our democracy.

PowerStroker I am pretty sure your not married, and naturally that means you dont have any kids (that you are aware of anyway). With that said I can understand why you dont see anything wrong with a married man with a child cheating on his wife. The fact that it happend in a federal building and that married man happend to be the PRESIDENT makes it worse. There is no excuse.

This is the kind of problem that is difficult for anyone to solve whether it be the government or an oil company. It is for this reason that I stand by my statement that harsh regulations to prevent this kind of disaster are much more efficient than trying to deal with it once it's happened.

I agree, but dont you agree that sometimes no matter how many regulations are in place, shit happens? We don't live in a perfict world and paying a bunch of people to make out lifes miserable isnt going to change that fact. Sort of like the union.

If you have proof that North Korea attacked the platform I'll listen, till then I'm operating under the understanding that it was a large methane bubble as stated in the reports.

Yeah sure... That sounds a lot like swamp gas from uranus.

But our arguing about it may someday cause people who think like you to do some soul searching and realize how wrong you have been your entire life, and in turn, start voting for people who will regulate industry and avoid such disasters in the future. Thus our arguing about it may be productive... but only if you have the capacity to grow intellectually, which may be a stretch.

FUCK REGULATIONS! DO YOU HEAR ME!? FUCK REGULATIONS! Regulations like the ones you speak of are what allow utillity companies to opperate legitimate monopoly's exempt from being sued in a court of law. People think this is regulation but really it's just a way to pass down the cost to the masses and limit liability. Regulated companies are breaking the law every day knowing that have a buffer between them and the law, it's called a commission. You will take what we give you mentality. You can have any color car you want, so long as it's black.

You know who is going to pay for the cleanup and the loss of both the fishing and tourism industries don't you? US! Now you tell me whats cheaper.

I too wish it never happend, but it did. We will all pay the price for our luxury/oil.

How exactly can you blame Obama for the state of California boycotting Arizona? Is it cause he's black Rex?

Hey the race card has already been played. Trying to cheat again? I can blame Obama because he felt that it was more important to free gitmo prisoners at the start of his term than fix the problems with immigration. It's a serious problem, one that puts a strain on our nation and takes jobs away from Americans. Not only that it's a national security issue too! These people in California are pissed because they feel all of the illegals from Arizona will move West and you know what? They are right! This would be a NON-ISSUE if Obama had been focusing on AMERICANS rather than freeing terrorist!

"Learning through experience isn't the best teacher... It's just the most expensive one." A quote from my automatic transmission instructor in college.

I will agree that having good instruction will save time, and time is money; however instruction can only be realized thru actual experience, something your boy Obama did not have when he entered office. I am pretty sure Obama's lack of experience will be quite expensive when all is said and done.

Actually he has said he is going to hold off on it until a thorough investigation has been done.

Yet another FLIP-FLOP from our President. How can you trust anything he says? I admire a man of his word that will stick by a decision thru thick and thin. Obama says whats good for him at the moment. Not what I consider to be RELIABLE.

You're operating under the assumption that we will choose to use fossil fuels forever. Obama wants to transition away from them as much as possible. Apparently the Republicans who receive much of their campaign donations from Big Oil are less enthusiastic about such a transition.

PowerStroker.... We will keep using fossil fuels until its ALL GONE. If Obama REALLY wanted to transition away from fossil fuel then why the hell did he approve more off-shore deep water drilling? Once again the big Zero saying one thing and doing another. Like taking a Nobel prize and sending 30,000 surge troops to war (With no clear mission might I add).

Nuclear has a ton of problems too. I like solar, wind, hydroelectric, and geothermal a lot though.

Well Solar is a great idea until the sun goes down. Hydroelectric is nice if the plant is not in your area and geothermal is okay if you live near a tectonic plate boundry. I myself rather not be left out in the dark.
DRILL BABY DRILL! But damn, dont be spilling anymore of that shit!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I wanted to share some vacation photos I took several years ago while on vacation camping at a Monroe Michigan State Park.

I dont know if this camp ground is still in existance, however the beach was actaully Lake Erie (One of the great lakes).

Whenever I go camping I always take a photo of the beach. Something about the sandy beach and the beauty of the lake while camping melts away the stress of life.

Check out these photos I took on the beach of Lake Erie in Monroe Michigan while camping. Needless to say I didnt go swimming and I kept my shoes on while walking the beach. I cant say the veiw melted away any stress either, however when one of these bad boys pops I think just about everything in 100 miles is going to melt away.... Literally!

Tell me? Who the hell come up with the bright idea to put a camp ground here!? Oh yeah, it's a state park! DUH!

When viewing the photos keep in mind I was sort of making a panoramic photo of the view going from the left, center and then right. To the left is the Fermi Nuclear plant, the center view was the direction I tried to focus on the next two days and to the right was DTE's Hydroelectric plant. While the plant itself was well hidden behind a thin tree line, the hum was a little annoying after a few hours; not to mention the towering smoke stacks were somewhat hard to miss.

It was an electifying vacation, and people swimming in the lake said the water was nice a warm!

-- Edited by SELLC on Saturday 22nd of May 2010 06:13:18 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Do you think the government shouldn't do any regulation whatsoever?

Just imagine a country where there are no standards for:

food
drugs
emissions
criminal behavior
investments
education
energy

If you didn't die from food poisoning, you certainly wouldn't be helped by the tainted medicine you took to treat it. The smog you breathe daily would destroy your lungs, the crime rate would be horrible, The radiation leaking from the nuclear plant would destroy your immune system - and make your hair fall out. The banks would lose all your money, and the Doctor you go to for treatment will have had no formal training, but rather just some dude who did a web search on your symptoms and prescribed you some more tainted drugs. (Similar to how you fix cars).

The bodies would pile up in the streets Rex, but as long as you weren't in the pile, I suppose you could say you're as free as you ever have been - Congratulations!!!

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

When I was a youngster - oh, yes... back when we were still discussing what colour to make dirt and figuring out how to make the wheel better - when I was a youngster, we lived just south of Vancouver, B.C. for several years. This would be late 50s - early 60s.

Back then, the CAD was worth $1.07 American and cross border shopping was popular.

We would often climb into Dads trusty old Dodge and make the drive to Point Roberts, Washington. Sandy beach on the Pacific Ocean, ice cream cones from the local confectionery and a wonderful old wooden pier justting out into the ocean. The water was clear and clean.

I had the chance to revisit Point Roberts in the mid 70s. A chain link fence separated us from the beach and large signs proclaiming the water dangerous to ones health were spaced at regular intervals.

Too much government? Or not enough?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker,

Regulation is this... Two opposing sides get together and figure out how they are going to stick it to the masses. Singularity really means NOTHING to regulation. The bureaucracy becomes a SERIOUS OVERHEAD and people overseeing regulation start developing big heads. In the end we all get fucked while the regulators live like fat cats raising the price. Yet we still have incidents such as

Food Poisoning
Drugs that kill people and are pulled
Emissions!? Are you kidding me?
Criminals with suits running the show
Investments? GM Bankruptcy? How do them share holders feel?
Education? You can take a horse to water but you cant make him drink.
Energy? You already know how I feel about regulated monopolies

Pogo, I think your story is much to the point of WHY these people invited me to lake Erie as they were moving out of state for job relocation and had lived in that area most likely well before either of the monstrosities were erected.

What you both need to realize is this... That fine line between regulation and legal price fixation are all responsible for bringing you all these monstrosities that pollute. These regulators come about when the people in the area tell industry to fuck off and build their shit elsewhere.

Id go a little deeper but I have to drop off a vehicle.

-- Edited by SELLC on Saturday 22nd of May 2010 05:53:24 PM

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

It never ceases to amaze me.... the NIMBY principal (not in my back yard) is alive and well in most of us. At the same time, we love it when big business comes into our area and makes the usual cash and employment infusions.

Big business is in business for one thing and one thing only... to make money. Isn't that what you are in business to do? Even if you have to step on the odd toe?

When it comes to pollution... Well, that can happen for lots of reasons or combinations of reasons. Employees that do as little as they can get away with and remain employed.... management willing to fudge procedure to reduce costs and "look better" to their bosses... shareholders and investors that only consider the bottom line with no thought of what might happen when corners are cut or "creative" ideas are utilized.... and people that don't care enough to get involved helping to put a stop to things that just aren't right.

You can try to blame everyone else... but, in the end, we all had a hand in allowing things to continue to the point where a beach is closed. Ever heard of Love Canal - no, this isn't some feminine body orofice. How about Pacific Gas and Electric? This is the bad shit.

The smoke stacks you don't like? Operated properly, environmental damage will be limited (the possibility of zero pollution in our lifetimes is gonna pretty slim) and, with proper controls and oversight, problems should be avertable. Unfortunately, the human animal is generally shallow and opportunistic - who will oversee the overseers?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

It is amazing how fast a body of water can go to shit. There is only one lake that I know of that remains as clean as I remember. I try and go camping there every year. This year was set to be the year I took the F250 instead of the Benz but the way things are looking Ill be taking the Benz. Maybe next year.

I feel if the regulations that are in place arent working, more will just be a bigger problem. Sometimes I think these Regulations and Commissions are cooked up by the industry and we are all idiots for thinking otherwise.

I am pretty far off from the Gulf, so I wont really realize the damage there however from what I see on the internet it could be a real big clean up project. Sometimes I question how advanced we really are, all this technology yet we cant seem to cap a gusher 5000-8000 feet below the surface. It's a stark reminder of how small we really are.

There are days that I truly want to believe that Obama is leading us in the right direction, but his lack of character and saying whatever best suits him at the moment makes me REALLY worry about him getting a second term. I also dont like how he wants to hold healthcare over Americans heads until after the election. It scares me even more to think of him getting re-elected and having his way with us for another 4 years. Everyone wants to say the economy is getting better but I just dont see it. Seems like many people that I know have lost their homes, some still hanging on jumping thru Obama-Plan hoops. I have not heard on ONE person I know of successfully getting assistance from that program and its almost like they are stringing them along so the market doesnt get flooded. I dont see any efforts being made to create jobs either.

What does all that have to do with the oil spill? Well it begs the question of What next!?

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SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Notice how all them jobs got lost right about the time Obama started his campaign? I think it is PROOF that Obama started this whole recession by pitching doom and gloom in an effort to get elected. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Obama!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

But it happened during the Bush presidency... By your logic it makes it Bush's fault.

By the way. Obama announced his candidacy in FEBRUARY 2007, the net job losses didn't start until January 2008.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 24th of May 2010 12:11:10 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

This is interesting. Looks like a lack of federal regulation regarding cement work for the drilling site allowed Halliburton to do shitty cement work and kill 11 workers while destroying the coastline and fishing industry as they fatten their pockets.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/19983736

At what point Rex... After how much damage is done will you finally start the process of rethinking your positions?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 24th of May 2010 12:12:48 AM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

At what point Rex... After how much damage is done will you finally start the process of rethinking your positions?

hmm You know I am just ONE person of millions who drives around in a gas powered vehicle. What position am I to rethink?

It's not like Halliburton hasnt ever cemented wells before, so I have my doubts that this is all their fault. What I do know is the current Administration has a hard on for anything Halliburton, Bush or Cheney, so I guess there is no wonder the finger is getting pointed in Halliburtons direction.

Let's see some proof PowerStroker instead of some left wing blogger for Yahoo that knows nothing of deep sea drilling outside of the last month's worth of news coverage.

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PowerStroker wrote:

But it happened during the Bush presidency... By your logic it makes it Bush's fault.

Nice try PowerStroker... This mess didnt get serious until your boy Obama started in with his "The sky is falling" jive. At that time consumer spending came to a hault.

I dont have to remind you that Bush gave Obama just under a trillion dollars in TARP to fix the problem. What did Obama do the first day in office? Spent time trying to free terrorist from GITMO!

Spare me PowerStroker.

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Rex, much like your Mercedes - you too, are beyond repair.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

Rex, much like your Mercedes - you too, are beyond repair.

What do you know about Mercedes?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

New ones attract hot chicks.

Old ones attract... Well, I'd better not post that youtube video again. I don't wanna get banned.;)

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Well if that's the case, I sure hope that my old one last forever.

I am sure sporting a new Mercedes attracting "Hot Chicks" would work wonders for a guy that is married with children.

By the way PowerStroker, what are you driving these days?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I have 2 F150's from different generations. An old obnoxious one for fun, and a newer more refined one for when I need pampering.

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SELLC wrote:

Well if that's the case, I sure hope that my old one last forever.

Wait a minute. You said the woman in the video wasn't Brandee.

You've got some splaining to do.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I really dont even recall the video, except to say that the person staring in it WAS NOT Brandee.

If you took anything away from what I said it should have been that I am not looking for hot chicks. If I were single and looking I sure as hell wouldnt be buying a Mercedes. New Corvette, Camaro or Mustang is more my style.

Right now I have a REAL need for a large 4 door sedan. And while you guys have seen me suffer from bouts of pre-mid-life crissis in here, I have maintained my head unlike Pogo who by his own admission has too many mid-life crissis vehicles. Then again the mid-life bug could rear it's ugly head stronger as the years pass by.

Were still waiting to hear what PowerStroker drives.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Pay attention, I already told you about 3 posts above your last one. I have 2 F150's from different generations to satisfy different needs.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Pay attention, I already told you about 3 posts above your last one. I have 2 F150's from different generations to satisfy different needs.

You certainly did, my bad. On a fucking roll tonight are we? I am spread too thin dealing with these BW retards, I think I am going to have to cut em' off.

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PowerStroker wrote:

SELLC- Everyone is bitching at BP and yet they are still buying oil! And even your Boy Obama is still on-board when it comes to deep water drilling!

POWERSTROKER- Actually he has said he is going to hold off on it until a thorough investigation has been done.

What was that again PowerStroker? Something about holding off until a thorough investigation has been done?

Despite moratorium, drilling projects continue

Records show at least 7 new permits for drilling, 5 environmental waivers

WASHINGTON - In the days since President Obama announced a moratorium on permits for drilling new offshore oil wells and a halt to a controversial type of environmental waiver that was given to the Deepwater Horizon rig, at least seven new permits for various types of drilling and five environmental waivers have been granted, according to records.

The records also indicate that since the April 20 explosion on the rig, federal regulators have granted at least 19 environmental waivers for gulf drilling projects and at least 17 drilling permits, most of which were for types of work like that on the Deepwater Horizon shortly before it exploded, pouring a ceaseless current of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37309122/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/

Oh my goodness PowerStroker! Dont you look like a fool? Aw that's okay, we all know it's Obama's fault because he told you one thing and did another.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yeah, that's actually a sticky issue right now because Obama said he wants a halt to new permits, but the MMS issued some anyway (shows how corrupt MMS really is). Actually the head of MMS tendered her resignation this week, and it may have something to do with these permits being issued against Obama's order.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

LOL, thats pretty funny considering Obama seemed broadsided with the news of her resignation while in the middle of an interview. You sure about that PowerStroker? LOL

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Are any of us really sure what goes on behind closed doors in Washington?

All I know is that Dems are a lot more likely to clean up MMS than Republicans. Do you disagree?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

No PowerStroker I dont feel the Democrats will clean anything up in the MMC. I feel the Dems will piss off a bunch of people and screw things up so bad that we will be back to paying $5-6 per gallon of gas again. Hell they could do even better than that, how about $10 a gallon gas? You know how them Dems have to always try 1 up you.

Dont you think Obama's efforts should be on getting the problem at hand resolved? It's quite clear the Govenment knows nothing of off shore deep water drilling so at this time they should be providing BP with anything they need in the ways of help, the Obama Administration should be focused on clean up and containment. Once the issue is under control THEN he could start shaking things up. None of these things going on at the MMC are going to solve the problem at hand, if anything it just put's that department at a loss since the new person isnt going to just hit the ground running.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I seem to recall much higher fuel prices under Bush. Prolly because the oil companies knew he would do nothing to regulate them or keep them in check whatsoever.

Yup, I'm pretty sure the record high fuel prices happened under the Bush administration. Thanks for playing though.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Well I guess they finally finished plugging this gusher today!

At least some people can finish what they start, even if it did take them longer than they thought.

I think it's time to tell owebama and the democrats to "Keep the change" while we find some go-getters to get the nations jobs done!

PogoPossum · RIP - Veteran User

The oil patch is full of interesting occurances - I forgot that most of you guys are relative neophytes when it comes to this sort of stuff. I also overlooked the fact that you are 'Muricans (NIMBY being the operative phrase - that's "not in my back yard" ).

I don't know of any fields in the continental US that are sour (it is at this point that you will recall that "sweet" is a term affixed to most crude oils). Alberta has a couple of "sour" fields. H2S is most prevalent in fields that produce a lot of natural gas.

There are many things to be considered when taking petroleum products from the mantle... including the possibility that BP kinda shit can happen in a heartbeat. By no means am I condoning their actions, but I am saying that safety devices can and will fuck up.

My only son works on a service rig. I prefer not to think about the dangers he faces every day.

I have lived in the heart of the Alberta oil patch for over 40 years.... dragging a barrel of oil out of the ground isn't as simple as some of you guys think it is. As consumers, you bear some of the guilt.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I don't think I ever said that safety devices could not fail.

I even went one further by saying that it was unlikley that safety devices would be modern and state of the art on all oil rigs.

I understand what it takes to suck oil out of the earth, and when I drive my imperalistic gas guzzling Mercedes to the tune of 8-10 miles per gallon I think to myself them fuckers better refine my shit real good, cuz my car requires premium. My average of 20-30 miles per week leaves me really not giving a flying fuck how much gas goes up, there will just be more room on the road for me.

If however I was some social butterfly loser trecking 100 miles a day, then yeah... I might consider something that gets 25+ MPG. As it stands you could not pay me enough to sit in traffic or spend more than an hour a day in a vehicle (Unless I was driving to a vacation destination).

If your kid works in oil production, it's a very good possibility he makes more than you on any given day, but as you mention it does come with some risks. I myself regularly having anywhere between 5000-10,000 lbs of steel above me. I fix the cars that drive the demand and make your sons line of work so profitable.

Tell me more about these Sour crude wells. What makes them sour again?