Even a Right Wing "News" Outlet is covering this story. Rex, how do you feel about groups laundering foreign money to buy American elections?
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Christian Science Monitor
US Chamber of Commerce under fire for campaign finance

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Treasonous Right wing groups laundering foreign money for Republican election campaigns.

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Oh spare me PowerStroker.

Obama Investigated for Taking Foreign Donations

The RNC Files Complaint with the Federal Election Commission

Barack Obama's fund raising has been fueled by contributions from foreign nationals as well as those in excess of the legal limit. The 49-page complaint was filed by the Republican National Committee (RNC) with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) because of reports of questionable contributions coming into the Obama campaign. Originally, Obama had pledged to accept public financing, but changed his mind.

The RNC Complaint

The complaint states that the Obama campaign has received 11,5000 questionable contributions from foreign nationals, totaling about $33.8 million, which is illegal. The CNSN News (Oct. 7, 2008) has reported that that the complaint further states says that Obama has raised untold amounts from people giving more than the $2,300 contribution limit because these contributors---some with listed names such as "Good Will" and "Doodad Pro"---have been given in increments of less than $200, which does not have to be itemized on candidates FEC filings.

Read more at Suite101: Obama Investigated for Taking Foreign Donations: The RNC Files Complaint with the Federal Election Commission http://www.suite101.com/content/obama-investigated-for-taking-foreign-donations-a72261#ixzz11iRdaUIK

And also,

The Obama Administration has said it places a high priority on spending Federal stimulus money to maintain or create jobs in the economy, including in the auto industry. A major reason behind this push is payback for the financial support American labor unions have given to the Democratic Party over the last two decades.

Since 1990, labor unions have contributed over $667 million in election campaigns in the United States, of which $614 million or 92 percent went to support Democratic candidates. In 2008, unions spent $74.5 million in campaign contributions, with $68.3 million going to the Democratic Party. Already, unions have contributed $6.5 million to the 2010 elections, and $6 million has gone to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics in Washington, D.C.

http://www.aier.org/research/briefs/1550-obama-thanks-his-friends-government-spending-and-union-support

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I'm sorry sir, the sources you site for this information are not credible media outlets. And instead of answering the question of whether you think this is good for America, you simply put forward un-verifiable examples of the opposition being guilty of the same thing... Which if true, I find equally troubling as I feel this shouldn't be a partisan issue. So I'll ask again, Do you think it's good that the Chamber of Commerce is laundering hundreds of millions of foreign dollars for Republican campaigns?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Thursday 7th of October 2010 06:12:28 PM

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Show me the proof PowerStroker.

No I don't think it's a good idea to allow other nations to influence our election. If true, heads will roll, however it could be that some Republicans may work or live overseas as part of their "Government" job.

In the case of Obama's overseas contributions, well I am pretty sure back when they were brought to light every major news outlet covered it. If you want the same story with an MSNBC or CNN tag then you spend the time looking for it. They are all syndicated now days.

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I'm not talking about US citizens working abroad and sending some money home to help their candidate.

What I'm worried about is the US Chamber of Commerce actively soliciting tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments and foreign corporations, and using it to flood the airwaves with political ads. This is already happening, and it is a direct threat to our national security.

Think about it for a second. China wants to become the next world empire, and they have already weakened us by dumping their cheap goods in our country and caused the closure of American factories and caused millions of our citizens to collect unemployment. Now they and other countries are really going for the kill by making deals to fund politicians through back channels (like the Chamber of Commerce) in exchange for their votes on policies that keep American companies at a disadvantage. This is not only limited to Republicans, and I will freely admit that there are no shortage of corrupt Dems. I was hoping you would join my point of view on this issue and condemn ALL actions that allow foreign money to corrupt our government, as well as ALL politicians who have allowed themselves to be sold to trans-national corporate special interests.

I don't view this as a Republican vs Democrat issue, I view this as a America vs China/Saudi Arabia/ India issue. It just so happens that in this instance, the Republican party is bennefiting much more from this, and they haven't exactly viewed this threat to our secuity as a problem because of it. I was hoping for better from them.

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Funny you should mention China wanting to be a world Empire. Wasn't O'Donell just saying something about China wanting to take over the United States? Did you read about that, or do you need a link?

At what point will our government be compromised so badly that our government turns on us? I mean sometimes I wonder if we just know the insignificant shit they want us to know, meanwhile what's really going down would cause a revolution.

When the government can force a person to buy insurance, rather than the government figuring out how to actually insure everyone, you know there are problems. The goal should be government IMPROVING the quality of life, not making it worse. There are ways to pay for a basic insurance plan for everyone, the government is just weak to do it. Obama could have been the President he campaigned on, and strong armed a basic plan that covered ALL AMERICANS, with Dental too! But NO, he signed some peice of shit, butchered, special intrest, freedom taking bill into law.

I swear I would have voted for Obama if I seen he was REALLY for the people.

What happens when you rush a job at work? I wish Obama would have taken a hands on with Healthcare from the start of his Presidency like he has with closing Gitmo! I think us Americans should be placed before the war criminals that try to destroy the nation. How about you PowerStroker?

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Funny you should mention China wanting to be a world Empire. Wasn't O'Donell just saying something about China wanting to take over the United States? Did you read about that, or do you need a link?

She's cookoo for cocoa puffs. Her claim was that China is about to ATTACK us, and that she has CLASSIFIED INFORMATION to prove it.

At what point will our government be compromised so badly that our government turns on us? I mean sometimes I wonder if we just know the insignificant shit they want us to know, meanwhile what's really going down would cause a revolution.

The moment that a majority of people stop believing that WE are our government... that it's not an abstract 3rd party. And electing people that hate government to run it - that is when it will be compromised to the point that it turns on us and starts lying us into wars and giving tax cuts to billionares without paying for it and such.

When the government can force a person to buy insurance, rather than the government figuring out how to actually insure everyone, you know there are problems. The goal should be government IMPROVING the quality of life, not making it worse. There are ways to pay for a basic insurance plan for everyone, the government is just weak to do it. Obama could have been the President he campaigned on, and strong armed a basic plan that covered ALL AMERICANS, with Dental too! But NO, he signed some peice of shit, butchered, special intrest, freedom taking bill into law.

The Dems wanted a single payer universal system that covered everyone and was paid for equally by everyone like police and fire services. It would have been incredibly cost effective, but the Republicans stood their ground for the private insurance companies and now we are left with the best thing we could get through a Republican filibuster. If you think the healthcare system in America would be better if only more Republicans were there to drill holes in it, then you really should think about it a little harder.

I swear I would have voted for Obama if I seen he was REALLY for the people.

Obama is for natural people, not corporations who claim to have the same rights as natural people.

What happens when you rush a job at work? I wish Obama would have taken a hands on with Healthcare from the start of his Presidency like he has with closing Gitmo! I think us Americans should be placed before the war criminals that try to destroy the nation. How about you PowerStroker?

I don't disagree with the spirit of that statement, but I seem to recall that he did make healthcare his first domestic policy innitiative.

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PowerStroker wrote:

SELLC wrote:

Funny you should mention China wanting to be a world Empire. Wasn't O'Donell just saying something about China wanting to take over the United States? Did you read about that, or do you need a link?

She's cookoo for cocoa puffs. Her claim was that China is about to ATTACK us, and that she has CLASSIFIED INFORMATION to prove it.

I kind of like her, but time will be the judge.

At what point will our government be compromised so badly that our government turns on us? I mean sometimes I wonder if we just know the insignificant shit they want us to know, meanwhile what's really going down would cause a revolution.

The moment that a majority of people stop believing that WE are our government... that it's not an abstract 3rd party. And electing people that hate government to run it - that is when it will be compromised to the point that it turns on us and starts lying us into wars and giving tax cuts to billionares without paying for it and such.

If we were the majority of the government then it's safe to say going to war with Iraq was not just Bush's choice, but that of the majority of Americans, who to this day 78% of Americans feel Saddam had a hand in the 911 attacks.

When the government can force a person to buy insurance, rather than the government figuring out how to actually insure everyone, you know there are problems. The goal should be government IMPROVING the quality of life, not making it worse. There are ways to pay for a basic insurance plan for everyone, the government is just weak to do it. Obama could have been the President he campaigned on, and strong armed a basic plan that covered ALL AMERICANS, with Dental too! But NO, he signed some peice of shit, butchered, special intrest, freedom taking bill into law.

The Dems wanted a single payer universal system that covered everyone and was paid for equally by everyone like police and fire services. It would have been incredibly cost effective, but the Republicans stood their ground for the private insurance companies and now we are left with the best thing we could get through a Republican filibuster. If you think the healthcare system in America would be better if only more Republicans were there to drill holes in it, then you really should think about it a little harder.

PowerStroker, the Dems had the majority. If they wanted a single payer option it could have been a reality. Stop your fucking lying. Now come this November I am betting the Republicans pick up enough seats to prevent any more "Pass this bill to see what's in it" Democrat bullshit.

I swear I would have voted for Obama if I seen he was REALLY for the people.

Obama is for natural people, not corporations who claim to have the same rights as natural people.

Obama is for Obama, his friends in GITMO and everyone else all over the world. He and the Democats haven't done jack shit for the American people outside of strap us with record debt and a shitty new healthcare law.

What happens when you rush a job at work? I wish Obama would have taken a hands on with Healthcare from the start of his Presidency like he has with closing Gitmo! I think us Americans should be placed before the war criminals that try to destroy the nation. How about you PowerStroker?

I don't disagree with the spirit of that statement, but I seem to recall that he did make healthcare his first domestic policy innitiative.
No I think you should check again PowerStroker. The first thing he did when entering office was closing GITMO. Check for yourself.

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If we were the majority of the government then it's safe to say going to war with Iraq was not just Bush's choice, but that of the majority of Americans, who to this day 78% of Americans feel Saddam had a hand in the 911 attacks.

Wrong, Bush had wet dreams about invading Iraq even in 1999 and was quoted saying exactly that in his biography.
It is possible for 78% of people to be wrong if 100% have been fed lies you do realize.

PowerStroker, the Dems had the majority. If they wanted a single payer option it could have been a reality. Stop your fucking lying. Now come this November I am betting the Republicans pick up enough seats to prevent any more "Pass this bill to see what's in it" Democrat bullshit.

I'm not lying. In the US Senate, the minority power has enormous power. In this case, the Republicans have slowed legislation to a screeching halt by using a record number of filabusters. Just because the Democrats have a majority, doesn't mean they can just pass whatever they want.

Obama is for Obama, his friends in GITMO and everyone else all over the world. He and the Democats haven't done jack shit for the American people outside of strap us with record debt and a shitty new healthcare law.

Obama passed legislation to take the middle man out of student loans, also passed equal pay for equal work legislation, also saved the US auto industry, also passed the stimulus package, also passed Wall Street reform to keep your bankster buddies in check. To say nothing of the largest social legislation since the New Deal (healthcare reform). All of this through a record number of Republican procedural blocks.

I don't disagree with the spirit of that statement, but I seem to recall that he did make healthcare his first domestic policy innitiative.
No I think you should check again PowerStroker. The first thing he did when entering office was closing GITMO. Check for yourself.

I said DOMESTIC policy innitiative... You should check again^^^

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Wrong, Bush had wet dreams about invading Iraq even in 1999 and was quoted saying exactly that in his biography.
It is possible for 78% of people to be wrong if 100% have been fed lies you do realize.

Fed lies? What lies were people fed? You have posted videos of Bush denying he claimed Saddam was responsible for 911, but can you provide a link or proof to your claims that he publicly singled out Saddam as being the person responsible for 911, outside of the FACTS that Saddam was well known to fund and support terriorist organazations? I have yet to see anything to that effect PowerStroker. The left at one time even tried to say Saddam didn't have any wepons of mass distruction, yet he used them on his own people!? You guys are at the end of your pathertic ropes. What do you hope to accomplish with this thread? Maybe you should move to Iraq if you feel Saddam was such a great guy! Be sure to check in with us once and awhile so we know you havent been taken hostage.

I'm not lying. In the US Senate, the minority power has enormous power. In this case, the Republicans have slowed legislation to a screeching halt by using a record number of filabusters. Just because the Democrats have a majority, doesn't mean they can just pass whatever they want.

You are lying PowerStroker. If the Democrats could not just pass whatever they wanted then how the hell did the Healthcare bill get to Obama's desk? You are full of $hit and you know it! I mean for gawd sakes look at the flawed heathcare bill that got signed into law! Can there be any question why Republicans are Filabusting?

Obama passed legislation to take the middle man out of student loans, also passed equal pay for equal work legislation, also saved the US auto industry, also passed the stimulus package, also passed Wall Street reform to keep your bankster buddies in check. To say nothing of the largest social legislation since the New Deal (healthcare reform). All of this through a record number of Republican procedural blocks.

And yet in the thread above you said "In the US Senate, the minority power has enormous power." and "Just because the Democrats have a majority, doesn't mean they can just pass whatever they want." Now you say otherwise? Which one is it PowerStroker? I think America is tired of your Democratic ways PowerStroker, I think you will find most Americans telling the Obama Administration to "Keep the Change" come this Novemeber.

I said DOMESTIC policy innitiative... You should check again^^^

Oh what was I thinking!? Why would the President of the United States who was just elected start with a Domestic policy innitiative? We can Pin, Pin, Pin this tale on the Donkey no matter how hard you try to Spin, Spin, Spin it! Bottom line, Obama's first initiative when entering office was and is un-acceptable. I am sure people wont forget it in two years. As it stands people wont forget about the healthcare law that was crammed down their throats this November either.

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Fed lies? What lies were people fed?

That Saddam was behind 911

You have posted videos of Bush denying he claimed Saddam was responsible for 911,

No, he was Denying that Saddam was behind 911, not that he claimed Saddam was behind 911

but can you provide a link or proof to your claims that he publicly singled out Saddam as being the person responsible for 911, outside of the FACTS that Saddam was well known to fund and support terriorist organazations?

Why would I need to prove something to you that you already wrongly believe? I've been arguing that Saddam WASN'T behind 911.

I have yet to see anything to that effect PowerStroker. The left at one time even tried to say Saddam didn't have any wepons of mass distruction, yet he used them on his own people!? You guys are at the end of your pathertic ropes.

What weapons exactly did Bush find there then? The left didn't say he didn't have any, as I recall, the left said he hasn't been making any more, and according to the weapons inspectors that went over in 98, What chemical weapons he still did have had degraded to their chemical state and were no longer effective for their intended purpose IIRC.

What do you hope to accomplish with this thread? Maybe you should move to Iraq if you feel Saddam was such a great guy! Be sure to check in with us once and awhile so we know you havent been taken hostage.

I never said Saddam was a great guy, in fact, I have repeatedly called him an asshole.

You are lying PowerStroker. If the Democrats could not just pass whatever they wanted then how the hell did the Healthcare bill get to Obama's desk?

Because we managed to get the 60 votes required to break the Republican filibuster on the Senate version of the healthcare bill. Then the House of Representitaves passed the Senate version, as well as a budget reconciliation package to fix the really bad problems with the Senate bill, that the Senate then approved barely with a simple majority because budget related votes can't be filibustered. Then Obama signed the Senate Version (which was also passed by the House) AND the "fix it" bill done through budget reconcilliation within about a week of each other.

You are full of $hit and you know it! I mean for gawd sakes look at the flawed heathcare bill that got signed into law! Can there be any question why Republicans are Filabusting?

Because Republicans care more about politics than helping America.

And yet in the thread above you said "In the US Senate, the minority power has enormous power." and "Just because the Democrats have a majority, doesn't mean they can just pass whatever they want." Now you say otherwise? Which one is it PowerStroker? I think America is tired of your Democratic ways PowerStroker, I think you will find most Americans telling the Obama Administration to "Keep the Change" come this Novemeber.

Well, without reforming our healthcare system, your taxes would have to go way up in the future, and i know how much you hate taxes.

Oh what was I thinking!? Why would the President of the United States who was just elected start with a Domestic policy innitiative? We can Pin, Pin, Pin this tale on the Donkey no matter how hard you try to Spin, Spin, Spin it! Bottom line, Obama's first initiative when entering office was and is un-acceptable. I am sure people wont forget it in two years. As it stands people wont forget about the healthcare law that was crammed down their throats this November either.

That's what we're counting on, another big social entitlement program like Social Security to be a winning issue for Dems for generations to come.

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PowerStroker wrote:

That Saddam was behind 911

Can we see the links or videos that confirm this? Or are you just connecting the dots in the wrong order?

No, he was Denying that Saddam was behind 911, not that he claimed Saddam was behind 911

Thats a bunch of double talk that means absolutly nothing.

Why would I need to prove something to you that you already wrongly believe? I've been arguing that Saddam WASN'T behind 911.

Because if you say I am wrong, you must have proof you are right. So let's have it!

What weapons exactly did Bush find there then? The left didn't say he didn't have any, as I recall, the left said he hasn't been making any more, and according to the weapons inspectors that went over in 98, What chemical weapons he still did have had degraded to their chemical state and were no longer effective for their intended purpose IIRC.

Well I have already mentioned that Saddam's brother used chemical wepons on his own people. Chemical wepons such as Mustard gas is considered to be a weapon of mass distruction by definition. So he has had WMD's, and even used them on people; HIS OWN PEOPLE.

I never said Saddam was a great guy, in fact, I have repeatedly called him an asshole.

Yet you are trying to defend him for the sake of your Democratic party even if is makes you look like an un-american peice of shit? Jackass!

Because we managed to get the 60 votes required to break the Republican filibuster on the Senate version of the healthcare bill. Then the House of Representitaves passed the Senate version, as well as a budget reconciliation package to fix the really bad problems with the Senate bill, that the Senate then approved barely with a simple majority because budget related votes can't be filibustered. Then Obama signed the Senate Version (which was also passed by the House) AND the "fix it" bill done through budget reconcilliation within about a week of each other.

So what did it take to get them 60 votes PowerStroker? Sixty people? Out of them 60 people that voted for the bill how many were Republican? ZERO. How many of them were Democrats? ALL OF THEM. So it's safe to say that the Democrats fucked this all up. They had complete control and rushed something thru just to claim it was finished. You must have to question your motives often, because really.... This shit is getting deep in here.

Because Republicans care more about politics than helping America.

I am pretty sure that America will help America. Republicans care enough about themselves to actually be in a possition to care about someone else. The Democrats don't even care about themselves so how can they care for America? Of course we care about politics, we have to save you idiots from yourself!

Well, without reforming our healthcare system, your taxes would have to go way up in the future, and i know how much you hate taxes.

That is bullshit speculation. Our healtcare isn't reformed! It's fucked now!

That's what we're counting on, another big social entitlement program like Social Security to be a winning issue for Dems for generations to come.

"Keep the change and GTFO Democrats!"

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Can we see the links or videos that confirm this? Or are you just connecting the dots in the wrong order?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-01/politics/cheney.speech_1_saddam-hussein-qaeda-iraqi-intelligence-officials?_s=PM:POLITICS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97527,00.html

Because if you say I am wrong, you must have proof you are right. So let's have it!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-01/politics/cheney.speech_1_saddam-hussein-qaeda-iraqi-intelligence-officials?_s=PM:POLITICS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97527,00.html

Because Republicans care more about politics than helping America.

"Keep the change and GTFO Democrats!"

Why don't you move to the libertarian paradise of Somalia?

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PowerStroker!

We asked for video's showing these people "Claiming" they had proof Saddam was responsible for 911.

You are showing us videos of them denying it, so we want to see the video's or documents that prove they DID CLAIM Saddam was responsible for 911.

Please try again.

-- Edited by SELLC on Saturday 9th of October 2010 01:03:45 AM

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What bennefit would I get from posting a link showing that Republicans accused Saddam of 911, when I don't believe Saddam was behind 911. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not the one operating under the premise that Saddam was behind 911 - YOU are, or at least were before our little discussion.

But if you really insist:

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Saturday 9th of October 2010 01:17:23 AM

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Sarah Palin? Are you fucking kidding me!?

Please try again.

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I thought you admired her? She was the person your party chose to be a John McCain heartbeat away from the presidency.

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Yeah but what does that video above have to do with Sarah? It's not even of Sarah! It's just two idiots spewing hear-say information.

I would just love to see how many man hours it took getting out Jakarta leader up to snuff on American politics. I'd imagine that total is growing each day!

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John McCain's campaign manager speaking to CNN's Anderson Cooper constitutes "two idiots spewing hear-say."

That speakes volumes about YOU actually.

If by "Jakarta leader" you're refering to our president. I'd say that it didn't take him very long to snuff up on American politics at all. He was a Constitutional Law professor, Editor of the Harvard Law Review, State Senator, and US Senator prior to his run for US President.

Do you really want to compare his resume with Sarah Palin's?

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PowerStroker wrote:

John McCain's campaign manager speaking to CNN's Anderson Cooper constitutes "two idiots spewing hear-say."

Sound's like two losers to me. We all know how well McCain's capaign went, and this video is proof that he's a turn coat. As for CNN? Well I wipe my ass with CNN print outs when the TP gets low.

That speakes volumes about YOU actually.

What? That results and the truth are paramount in my eyes?

If by "Jakarta leader" you're refering to our president. I'd say that it didn't take him very long to snuff up on American politics at all. He was a Constitutional Law professor, Editor of the Harvard Law Review, State Senator, and US Senator prior to his run for US President.

Yeah, it's just too bad he didn't have to have the records from all them previous possitions SEALED. Then again, this is Owebama we are talking about. Any word that he has paid back his schooling cost to Jakarta? You know the loans that alledge to have him "Renouce his American citizenship"? You know PowerStroker, even if elected President in Jakarta Indo. Obama would have been created history..... AS THE FIRST WHITE PRESIDENT of Indo.

Do you really want to compare his resume with Sarah Palin's?

Um... That would be impossible PowerStroker.... Obama's resume is for the most part SEALED... I wonder why?

-- Edited by SELLC on Sunday 10th of October 2010 10:18:46 PM

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Just because you hear lies in a viral right wing email, and you click on the link inside which takes you to a fake right wing "news" story, doesn't mean it's true.

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Um... In case you have forgotten PowerStroker... YOU STARTED THIS THREAD.

If anyone is guilty of getting bad info thru chain mails it's the Democrats. Hell they push this BS on the White House web site now too.

PowerStroker, why has most of Obama's upper staff considering jumping ship? It's because the ship is sinking faster than the Titanic!

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So if McPalin were elected, the country would be all fixed already eh?

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Yes it's a very good possibility that many of the issues that criple our nation would have been addressed in a more timely manner.

For example, instead of trying to free the war criminals in GITMO that want to kill us, McPalin and Co. would have focused on getting all the illegal Aliens removed from the country. This would have ensured that American dollars were being spent on Americans, not visitors from other nations.

Another example would have been the gulf oil spill. McPalin and Co. would have cracked the whip on them BP guys. They all have an oil background and would have been much more able to fix the problem than the current empty suit.

Let's talk healthcare... McPalin and Co. would not have signed into law a flawed healthcare bill that wasted 1 whole year drawing up. Even though they wasted a whole year trying to make it, the damn thing still sucks. Yet Obama still signed it, and I am willing to bet he didnt even bother to read it prior to signing it.

See this is just three things, I could go on but what's the point? You are just a biased jackass.

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Yes it's a very good possibility that many of the issues that criple our nation would have been addressed in a more timely manner.

For example, instead of trying to free the war criminals in GITMO that want to kill us, McPalin and Co. would have focused on getting all the illegal Aliens removed from the country. This would have ensured that American dollars were being spent on Americans, not visitors from other nations.

I haven't heard anything about freeing war criminals, just moving them.

Another example would have been the gulf oil spill. McPalin and Co. would have cracked the whip on them BP guys. They all have an oil background and would have been much more able to fix the problem than the current empty suit.

I think Obama did crack the whip on them with a 20 Billion dollar excrow account for the victims, a drilling moratorium, dismanteling the dysfunctional Bush era department of Minerals Management Services, and imposing new safety regulations on oil companies.
How exactly would McPalin handle this do you think, I want specifics please.

Let's talk healthcare... McPalin and Co. would not have signed into law a flawed healthcare bill that wasted 1 whole year drawing up. Even though they wasted a whole year trying to make it, the damn thing still sucks. Yet Obama still signed it, and I am willing to bet he didnt even bother to read it prior to signing it.

McPalin would have left the free market system alone and done nothing with healthcare... Which by the way was on a track to bankrupt our country within our lifetime if nothing was done. If you don't like the tax penalty for not buying insurance, just imagine how much you'd hate how much your taxes would have to go up if nothing was done to stop the bleeding.

See this is just three things, I could go on but what's the point? You are just a biased jackass.
I'm an informed realist.

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PowerStroker wrote:

I haven't heard anything about freeing war criminals, just moving them.

Yes and if I may ask, where is it they want to move them again?

I think Obama did crack the whip on them with a 20 Billion dollar excrow account for the victims, a drilling moratorium, dismanteling the dysfunctional Bush era department of Minerals Management Services, and imposing new safety regulations on oil companies.
How exactly would McPalin handle this do you think, I want specifics please.

That's an outright LIE PowerStroker. The LAW limited the amount of money that BP had to place in escrow! They did not HAVE to place 20 Billion in the escrow, they did it of their own free will. Please dig me up some link that proves Obama FORCED them to do so. Giving hypothetical ideas how other people such as McPalin and co. would handle this is counter productive. The Democrats suffer from a "What If" syndrome. Do I feel the Republicans would have done better? "You betcha!"

McPalin would have left the free market system alone and done nothing with healthcare... Which by the way was on a track to bankrupt our country within our lifetime if nothing was done. If you don't like the tax penalty for not buying insurance, just imagine how much you'd hate how much your taxes would have to go up if nothing was done to stop the bleeding.

That is simpily not true PowerStroker. Healthcare was not on track to bankrupt our country! If anything all this was done so that the government could build their huge database of computerizd patient records, and also to warm Americans up to being forced to do or buy things at the governments demand. I has already been proven this new healthcare law is what will bankrupt the nation. Get your facts straight.

I'm an informed realist.

Some say your an un-informed Jackass, and that people like you are why we are in this mess.

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Yes and if I may ask, where is it they want to move them again?

An unused Supermax prison in Illinois

That's an outright LIE PowerStroker. The LAW limited the amount of money that BP had to place in escrow! They did not HAVE to place 20 Billion in the escrow, they did it of their own free will. Please dig me up some link that proves Obama FORCED them to do so. Giving hypothetical ideas how other people such as McPalin and co. would handle this is counter productive. The Democrats suffer from a "What If" syndrome. Do I feel the Republicans would have done better? "You betcha!"

Find your own link. Obama convinced them to volunteer a 20 Billion Excrow for personal and business damages. This does not include clean up costs or penaltys. I'd say that's pretty good considering there is a law on the books that limits oil company damages to 75 million... And recently the Dems tried to lift that cap, but the Republicans blocked the effort.

That is simpily not true PowerStroker. Healthcare was not on track to bankrupt our country! If anything all this was done so that the government could build their huge database of computerizd patient records, and also to warm Americans up to being forced to do or buy things at the governments demand. I has already been proven this new healthcare law is what will bankrupt the nation. Get your facts straight.

My facts are straight thank you very much, I stand by my original statement, and challenge you to prove me wrong.

Some say your an un-informed Jackass, and that people like you are why we are in this mess.

Some would be wrong.

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PowerStroker wrote:

An unused Supermax prison in Illinois

Moving terrorist to prisons and trying them in Americans courts as if they were Americans IS WRONG ON EVERY LEVEL! You are an idiot PowerStroker.

Find your own link. Obama convinced them to volunteer a 20 Billion Excrow for personal and business damages. This does not include clean up costs or penaltys. I'd say that's pretty good considering there is a law on the books that limits oil company damages to 75 million... And recently the Dems tried to lift that cap, but the Republicans blocked the effort.

Find my own link? So you admit that it's true you are a liar? Because two threads up you stated "Obama MADE BP escrow money", now come to find out you already knew this!? See that right there is what's wrong with you lying, cheating Democrats.

My facts are straight thank you very much, I stand by my original statement, and challenge you to prove me wrong.

I am think you will be proven wrong come this November 2nd. Good luck.
Some say your an un-informed Jackass, and that people like you are why we are in this mess.

Some would be wrong.
Yeah you may be right, I think after this thread many people will agree you are a lying jackass and wrong on many diffrent levels.

Even a Right Wing "News" Outlet is covering this story. Rex, how do you feel about groups laundering foreign money to buy American elections?
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