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What do you think about Trump's wiretapping tweet? [3 vote(s)]

Obama ordered politically motivated spying of Trump
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The U.S. Justice Department was spying on Trump with a warrant due to legitimate concerns about Russian ties, without White House involvement
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Trump is just full of shit because he gets his info from fake right-wing news, and nobody was actually spying on him
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Take his twitter away, please...


Obama is too smart to order spying of his political oponent. If Trump was being monitored by the Justice Department, I think they did this on their own with cause... Which raises some serious questions. The other possibility is Trump is getting bad information, which, based on his choices for news wouldn't be surprising.

He did put the Breitbart guy Steve Bannon on his senior staff after all.



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Another thought is that the NSA picked up on some phone calls to Russia, because the NSA monitors all such calls from every American, again - nothing to do with Obama, but that won't stop Trump for blaming Obama, as we are all well aware.

You know, now that I think about, I don't remember Obama ever whining about Bush publicly, though I'm sure he was thinking it. It's too bad our current president isn't as classy.

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Clinton Aide Squeals: Everyone Knew About Obamas Illegal Wiretapping 

Hillary Clintons former campaign manager Robbie Mook has become the latest Democrat to roll over and squeal on his former comrades, telling Fox News Wednesday that he and everyone else in the Clinton campaign knew Obama was wiretapping Trump Tower.
 

Anyone who says otherwise is lying to save their skin, Robbie Mook says, as Democrats scramble to clear their names. Democrats ran an arrogant, sloppy spying campaign against Trump because they assumed that a Clinton victory was certain. They didnt think Trump would ever be in a position to expose their crimes. 

They couldnt have been more wrong, and now shellshocked Clinton campaign members are beginning to rat on each other in an attempt to gain favor with the current administration and save themselves from serving jail time. 

http://yournewswire.com/clinton-obama-illegal-wiretapping/



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So you're getting information from a trusted source too huh? One I've never heard of before, yournewswire.com.

Haven't we been through the topic of using only trusted sources of news Rex?

Either way, the article suggests that the phones of Russians were being tapped, and by so doing, they picked up on a few of Trumps calls, which further proves he had a relationship with Russians. Is that really your argument?

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If you're asking me if I think Hillary and Obama had Trumps "Wires tapped", then my answer would be YES!

YES, they probably knew about it!

YES, they probably ordered it one way or another, by proxy - doesn't matter... All the same!

YES, they probably used said information to cause problems.

YES - YES - YES! Obama, Hillary and the Democrats have acted like they have been above the law every since Obama got elected. There is no doubt in my mind these people are capable of such a thing, especially the Clintons.



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www.youtube.com/watch

I see a pattern appearing, don't you ?...

The more things change, the more they stay the same LOL !

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A video like that should be embedded so people can view it without clicking thru.

I guess things like wiretapping are only a concern when a Republican administration does it..



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Hey SELLC,

You're probably right, but there's other stuff in there you stumble across that's worth viewing too. That's why I left it as is. The same with the cartoons too, I mean, why watch just one ?...They're often more entertaining than the news IMO...

I also wanted to let "the next generation" of people discover how even in 1968, a then retired politician ( Nixon ) was earning over $250,000:00 per year as a consultant for a Lawyer Firm, & how much money was floating around & being "hidden"...All this to show how OUT OF TOUCH even 50-years ago, the corrupted US-of-A politicians were with the regular folks they governed, who were likely lucky to be earning $100:00 per week in those days...

I still don't understand how a man who has over 7-Billion dollars + in self-worth, can understand the needs of regular people...Or how he can make America great again...

America - ( the US-of-A ), was "only" ever regarded as a great country, when its doors were held open, for migrants to come & make a living, & live a better life...

From what perspective do you see Mr.trump making "America" great again, when he's fencing the place in like it was a prison ?...

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You have to be kidding?

After 8 years of Obama, many people were tired of having to agree with someone just because you were labeled a racist if you didn't. You don't have to be a racist to see the liberal idea of letting in more people than our infrastructure can handle isn't a good idea!

Trump is making America great again and it's showing... Employment is up, illegal immigration is down, the market is up and "Americans" = both Republican and Democrat are taking notice. This drives the liberals like Obama, The Clintons and their crew absolutely nuts! Their liberal base is also trying to do everything they can to sabotage Trump at every turn and it's sickening.

You're an Australian Rastus, so forgive me for being blunt, but your opinions about the USA matter about as much to me as my opinions about your Christmas Island matter to you... At least as far as politics are concerned. I realize you are liberal, and I see you playing devils advocate to often dangerous and liberal ideas but honestly I take it with a grain of salt because you're not actually living in the USA.

PowerStroker on the other hand.... Well, I don't know.. He just allows them Democrats to make him look foolish every time he takes something way out in left field. Often I want to tell him that he gas good ideas but his far left party is causing him to take any given situation further left than is needed. Take the recent Bathroom thread for example... He knows damn well people aren't interested in bending the rules on this issue... He knows damn well that either you are, or you aren't a male/female. He knows damn well there is a bathroom for Men and another one for Women... Yet he will spend days trying to argue about something that is so simple it's taught in kindergarten! 

That is my whole point, and I'd imagine it's Trump's point too - which is why he has to use Twitter and Facebook.

And with regards to Trump having billions, he could never become out of touch with the people because unlike the politicians who were voted in their wealth and power and abused the government to get everything they got (see Obama), Trump earned his in the private sector where they expect things like "Results".

You understand now Rastus? 



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Lets make a deal Rex:

If It is proven that Obama ordered unwarranted politically motivated surveillance of Trump before the election, I will call for Obama to be charged with that crime.

If it is proven that Obama did not do such a thing, You will call for Trump to resign and start getting your news exclusively from mainstream sources.

Deal?




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There can be no deal made when it comes to Obama... His people will lie about a lie..

People asked to see Obama's ORIGINAL birth certificate, however none has ever been found. Odd, as you would think he would need something like that to get a drivers license or attend Harvard... Yet Hawaii was more than happy to make a "duplicate". 

Same deal with Obama and his wire tapping.. He will never admit to it.. He and his people will just lie, lie, lie... 

Well here is one for you PowerStroker... When Trump can prove Obama lied, or that Obama isn't a citizen - it would automatically roll back anything he has ever signed.

But I seriously doubt Trump has the cajonies to press it... If only because it's been a hot button issue with him in the past.



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SELLC wrote:

There can be no deal made when it comes to Obama... His people will lie about a lie..

Sounds like you're afraid to make that deal for some reason. If you are correct though, it would be a huge win for you.

Same deal with Obama and his wire tapping.. He will never admit to it.. He and his people will just lie, lie, lie... 

Attorney General Jeff Sessions hates Obama even more than you, so if what you say is true, it will be investigated at the highest level.

Well here is one for you PowerStroker... When Trump can prove Obama lied, or that Obama isn't a citizen - it would automatically roll back anything he has ever signed.

It doesn't work that way, anything that became law under Obama will remain as such even if he turned out to be Satan, so you may as well adopt a new conspiracy theory to get worked up about because this ship has sailed.

But I seriously doubt Trump has the cajonies to press it... If only because it's been a hot button issue with him in the past.

If anything, Trump's cajonies are too big, just follow his twitter and you'll see.


 



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PowerStroker wrote:

It doesn't work that way, anything that became law under Obama will remain as such even if he turned out to be Satan, so you may as well adopt a new conspiracy theory to get worked up about because this ship has sailed.

 


 If it came to light Obama wasn't really a natural born American then yes, everything he ever did or signed would become null and void.

Obviously it would be quite messy and unprecedented, then again - so was Obama.



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Can you cite specific legal statutes to back that up?

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18 U.S. Code § 1031 - Major fraud against the United States

Look it up!



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He would have to be impeached by both houses of congress for that crime in order for it to apply in the manner you suggest. And even still, anything he signed prior to such conviction would still remain the law of the land untill Congress or the Supreme Court deems otherwise.

For someone who has made such a hobby of the legal process, I would have expected you to understand such things.

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Geez....

All this fuss about a certificate has got to be slowing down the process of making America great again....

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Not at all Rastus! 

America will be even "greater" once everyone can see that Democrats were duped and lack the instinct to vote. In fact, this is just what America needs to bring us all back together after Obama's attempts to divide us all.



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PowerStroker wrote:

He would have to be impeached by both houses of congress for that crime in order for it to apply in the manner you suggest. And even still, anything he signed prior to such conviction would still remain the law of the land untill Congress or the Supreme Court deems otherwise.

For someone who has made such a hobby of the legal process, I would have expected you to understand such things.


 Eh... Everything you have said would be a full blown conclusion should it be proven that Obama lied about his citizenship to meet the requirements to be President of the USA.

If and when it's proven - any Democrat standing in the way will probably be arrested and tired for treason.

Obama has made one fine mess, and people are VERY upset. 



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But he fixed the economy, don't you want to at least give him credit for that?

Exactly which administration was in power when you bought your Corvette?

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But he fixed the economy, don't you want to at least give him credit for that?

Exactly which administration was in power when you bought your Corvette?


 That is a GREAT example PowerStroker! Glad you brought it up because there is a story here...

For 7 years prior I tried everything to get a mortgage, and for the past 5 years I was buying a home on a land contract w/ excess of $100k in equity - yet the Democrat Dodd-Frank law prevented me from getting a mortgage! Not because the banks didn't want to give me one, but because the government PREVENTED them from doing so.

So yeah... I got good a p1ssed off and applied for a loan in jest for a car that I knew wasn't really ideal for my current situation as a married man with two kids... You can only imagine my shock when I was approved for a 100% LTV loan on the Corvette but was declined a 40% LTV mortgage on real estate! If that does not show the state of how screwed up things were then I don't know what to tell you PowerStroker!

Then afterwards, a good friend of President Donald Trump's, Mr. Dan Gilbert's "Quicken Loans" gave me a mortgage. Had nothing to do with Obama as everyone already knew the Democrats were on their way out. If you check the timeline you will see I bought the Vette in late July and got a mortgage in late October.

So yes, it all happened under Obama's lame duck watch... But only because he was on his way out! The previous 8 years were absolute HELL! 

Didn't you sell your home during Obama's tenure PowerStroker? I have shared with you, why don't you share with me why you sold your home? You did an excellent job fixing it up and I can still remember the post of that kitchen you remodeled. I thought it looked good, along with all the other work you did to it. I was rather shocked when you told me you sold it. Why?



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I had outgrown that townhome, and for the longest time the prices were so depressed in my complex that I couldn't get out of it. Finally in 2015 the prices came back up enough for me to get out of it. While overall It sold for 12k less than the original purchase price in 2002, I had a chunk of equity and they cut me a nice check at closing. I guess my experience with regard to real estate was different. I never have any issues qualifying for financing, but was trapped for a while in a place where I wasn't happy because home prices were depressed for so long.

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Actually you probably didn't lose 12k because it would have cost you nearly that to live in an apartment for a year, although I wished you would have done better. At least you didn't go down in flames like a lot of other people.

My only problems with financing were the fact I was self employed and we all know Democrats don't like small business owners.



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Bullshit, we love small businesses. It's the huge mega corporations that don't pay taxes that we have a problem with.

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Oh sure you do... Just like Democrats are big proponents of free speech... Yet this thread is titled "Take his twitter away, please..."

no  confuse

That's why small business loans were pretty much nonexistent under Obama.



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