Well I have been teasing the details to everyone for over a week now, but trust me when I say this saga has lingered on much longer than a week at this point. As some of you may know I recently set out to purchase a 2007 Cadillac Escalade from Suburban Cadillac as they had advertised on their website, Craigslist and even Facebook for $11,000. This is the ad that they had listed on the internet and a photo I took of the vehicle later on.
I get to the dealership Wednesday early afternoon having seeing the Ad above and I am walking around looking for this Escalade on the front lot. I was admiring a pristine low mile DTS (well under 70k so far from a creampuff) but anyway I was approached by a salesperson. I complemented him on the DTS but let him also know I was here to see the Escalade they had advertised. He brings back the key to the DTS and I notice it has a column shift rather than a console shift, something I can not stand on a Sedan. Did not matter I was there for the Escalade! I then ask to see the Escalade and we get on the dealerships golf cart and proceed all the way back to the back lot where it is shown in the last photo above. As I inspect the vehicle I notice it is from Texas because all of the old owners paperwork is still in the vehicle along with a bunch of personal belongings! I tell the salesman that I am interested in the Escalade but to run my credit for both cars that way I know if I have to pay cash or if I can get financing. I specifically ask him to use two creditors I know that have loaned to me recently in the past.
So that same night, Wednesday September 19th, the kid and I decided on the Escalade, even though by the time we returned they had just tried to run my credit for the 2010 Cadillac DTS @ $15,500, a full $4,000 over book and $2000 over the sticker price listed in the lot. They were not happy upon learning that I was only interested in the Escalade, and that night we were told that no bank would loan on a 2007 and if we didnt put a deposit on the Escalade they had another cash buyer coming up from Ohio the following day on Thursday! Seemed fair enough so I left a $500 deposit and I was told to return at 6pm Thursday to close on the Escalade and take it home. We agreed on a price of $10,500 plus taxes and title with $2k on the card and the rest cash.
The following day, Thursday September 20th, I email the salesman asking if everything was still on track because my bank closed at 4:30 and I had to get the cash out. He replied back that we were all good! So I goto the bank an pull cash out needed to close on the vehicle,
Now keep in mind, it cost me nearly $400 to make that much cash liquid, but it seemed like a fair deal since I got them down $500 on the truck and I wouldn't have a car payment that required me to hold expensive full coverage insurance, plus like always I was going to sell the car off towards the end of the winter like I do all my winter cars and make the money back. Point is, I had the cash in hand and I proceeded to the dealership with my son to close the deal and take our new company cruiser home. I should also note that this is about the time AMEX lost their marbles, as I checked my spending power @ $6,500 and it automatically triggered an investigation and a $10k credit line decrease! I wouldn't know this until later but you get an idea of what I went thru to be ready on my end.
So we get to the dealership and sit at the closing table with a stack of cash and the credit card ready to cover the $2k and the salesman tells me they lost the title! We asked how in the world could they have lost the title!? They had it for sale online as having a clean title and had already negotiated a sale and it was closing time!
He claimed it was lost in the mail, and that it could be there tomorrow, Saturday or even past Monday! At this time I am just bent out of shape and had words with the used car manager. I would later get shifted to another manager and I would even reach out to the owners of Suburban Group thru their secretaries to warn them in advance that I was considering filing a complaint because according to car fax they applied for a title and were listed as the owners back on September 15th!
They kept jerking me around until Monday I finally could not take it anymore! I had to drive my Corvette in the rain to my kids court hearing and I was just not in the mood for anymore BS. They offered to wax the Corvette but honestly they did such a poor job of cleaning the Escalade that I did not dare let them touch the Corvette. They claimed to have had the title since Friday at this point, but needed the owner to sign it. They also make claims on Monday they had the title signed but they would not show it to me, so I demanded a refund of my Deposit since at this point I was getting conflicting stories and I could not trust them.
I would later find they ran my credit thru 9 different companies, of which two rejected me on the grounds that their sale price exceeded the book value! And all of this was done on the DTS because neither of the two decline letters mentioned the Escalade! That means 6 banks were going to loan me $15,500 for a car they knew I didn't want to buy Wednesday night!
So I really don't know if the dealer was just trying to screw me around, or if they were just using the car at the ultra low price as an ad-leader to switch me into a more expensive car. Either way they have since raised the price on the vehicle $1,000 so it's quite obvious it must have been getting too much attention.
All I know is it really did cost me a weeks worth of time, not to mention the complaints I had to file and the soon to be civil case I will have to file to recoup my losses for just pulling the cash to have ready. In my last phone conversation the dealerships sales manager called me an idiot, and the whole time I am wondering how I can be the idiot when his team has been coming up short for a week!? I am just going to take my time with this one, they must have really enjoyed jerking me around for an entire week but I got news for them, I have since filed a complaint with the State of Michigan alleging Bait and Switch however Michigan law states that -
3-1.2 Requirement. A vehicle may not be sold, displayed, or offered for sale in Michigan unless the dealership has a properly assigned title or other ownership document (MCO/MSO) in its immediate possession.
So I will wait out the state investigation and then follow up with a civil suit. I mean, correct me if I am wrong here - but I have standing and I have damages! This is beyond ridiculous!
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I would have to agree with everything you have said Rastus! Problem being is that these old W126 Mercedes are becoming rare in good condition - which is one reason I could not bring myself to drive that nice 420 in the bad weather with all the AMG stuff on it. Still I have driven a 560 for over a decade and could not get content with the much lower performance of the 420 so its probably good that I let that car go. I still have two 560s I am working with over here, none of them creme puffs so perhaps that may very well be where I am heading this winter. The only thing I do not care for on the W126 is the poor heat that I have experienced in every late model G2 W126. In fact the only Mercedes I have owned that had what I consider a good heating system was an earlier G1 1985 500 SEL, not sure what setup that vehicle had but I remember that car had very good heat in the winter. Come to think about it, everything seemed a little nicer on that early G1 500 SEL, the ride - the performance - even the heated seats. Odd..
Having said all that, the Mercedes Benz Sedan is not even in the same ballpark as a Cadillac Escalade. For starters the Escalade is a 4X4 truck with an SUV body and holds seven passengers while the Mercedes can only fit 4 comfortably, 5 if you want to pack em in like sardines in the back seat. They have a very nice and big feel with a surprisingly nimble feel on the road too! They have reliable and time proven LS style Vortec engines at 6.2 liter displacement giving them loads of power to go with all that weight. Also, much like the later G2 Mercedes 560 these newer Escalades fetch anywhere from $80-$100,000 when new! The one I was looking at was probably about a $60,000 SUV in its day back in 2007.
Living in Michigan means that you will deal with a fair amount of snow in the winter, and as fun as the Mercedes is to drive in the winter I wanted to give an Escalade a try. A $10,500 Escalade is not really an upmarket, in fact its actually one of the least expensive Escalades in its class for the body style. Then again I was prevented from closing on the deal due to what the dealer claims was a lost title but regardless a dealership in Michigan is not allowed to offer for sale a vehicle it does not have title to so they really just jacked me around for a week and cost me $400 for nothing.
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Still no word from the State of Michigan but I did get a letter back from them saying they have an investigation open and that I should proceed with any legal remedies I have at my disposal.
Honestly I was hoping this would be a quick open and shut case since I have supplied proof, this way I could use the State findings in my lawsuit to bolster it. Already I plan on attaching the nearly 60 page complaint as an exhibit to my lawsuit but it would just be a lot nicer if I had that piece of paper that says they found them in violation. Nothing worse than having pending litigation and something like this shaking the boat in the middle of the litigation. With that said I am prepared to await the results from the state before filing my lawsuit, just because I have learned over time that rushing a lawsuit is worrisome, costly and time consuming as you have to introduce and re-file new evidence. Also, you original complaint can be much more powerful if you have all your ducks in a row from the get-go.
The weather has taken a serious turn for the worse here in Michigan, it is getting cold and rainy and it is even snowing to the north of us. It would have really been nice to have purchased this vehicle for the winter as I am now getting behind in other work as a result of all the time and inconvenience. Not only that, I am looking at having to repair an old Mercedes-Benz to have road ready in a very short period of time. It is quite clear that it is time to put the Corvette up for the winter as my usage of that vehicle amounts to maybe once or twice a week to run down to the store. The kids truck is running good, but the kid uses it every day and sure enough, every time I need to go somewhere he is off at they gym or somewhere.
A lot of people reading might not realize the trouble this dealership has caused me, but they literally screwed me around for a week, cost me almost $600 in fees, cost me a $10k credit line haircut and I have nothing to show for all of this!
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Worked for me. I rolled a new 1985 F150 once, had FULL coverage. Months later just riding my R100RS (rensport) BMW and fighting with them I told a manager. "I'm sick of this shit, pay up I feel like fuking killing someone" Must have been a democrat and believed me cause I was paid within days.
What taste even better than an 18 year old Scotch?
Vindication!
Now it is on to phase two and three... More complaints and filing of my lawsuit to recoup my losses!
I lost over $500, a weeks worth of time and took 100 point ding in my credit score from them running my credit NINE times for what amounted to a cash sale that they could not even facilitate due to not having legal ownership of the vehicle!
I also took a $10k hit to my credit line as a result of having NINE credit inquires following a large cash advance to have CASH money in order at the closing table, as they so arrogantly required!
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Thanks guys! Now that this will soon be moving into the courts I have to move this thread to the Cafe. I will still update the process but out of an abundance of caution I feel it needs to go private if I am going to keep commenting.
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Just filed my lawsuit in the local court against these shysters! (Suburban Cadillac of Plymouth)
Exactly ONE DAY BEFORE our one year anniversary!
I'll keep you guys posted, but my next lawsuit I am filing on Friday, in Federal court, is against Equifax, Experian, Trans Union, Quicken Loans, Citizens Bank and the United States Federal Government Fannie/Freddy - aka Federal Housing administration and Housing and Urban Development. I'm done... I'm pissed! I am going to get an answer to my Federal question and all these agencies aren't going to be able to point the finger at each other this time!
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Well, today is the 22nd day since the date they were served! That means that Suburban Cadillac is in DEFAULT!
If the law is adhered to, and no postal post dating scams see a response come Monday it's safe to say I will be moving for a Default Judgement!
Have to move quickly, this is not a good sign! Wondering if Suburban Cadillac is currently in bankruptcy because this is highly irregular!
We'll see... But I am going to get my paperwork ready this weekend to file come next week!
Wonder how much the Judge will give me? lol
After this I am going after ALL the credit reporting companies and a few mortgage companies - along with the Government in Federal Court... I am only including the Government because I am almost 100% sure that when faced with the accusations they will be the first ones to point their fingers at the credit reporting and mortgage companies, which to me would be a plus for my case.
Wish me luck, on both cases! I am going up against some of the biggest companies I have ever gone up against in the latter, for gawds sake the Federal Government alone gives me the chills but I am hoping to help them reign in the lenders and reporting companies.
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It could be possible they sent out the response three days ago and it's just caught in the mail, however that seems highly unlikely for in-state first class postage and they would have to have post dated envelope stamps. Many law offices have metered mail and it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that their lawyers are dirty as well. LOL
I am anxiously awaiting Monday, then I think by Tuesday I should move in for the Default Judgement. Perhaps if there is no entry by nearing end of business Monday I should just file it then, just to put in question any "post-dated" envelopes that may come thru, should they come thru. Simply printing a metered mail envelope should not allow someone extra time if it was purposely used for that purpose.
It's possible they forgot too, but even if they try filing a response late I would fight it with everything I had because no such concessions would be extended to me if I were to file or respond late.
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Good call Rastus, it's actually 28 days when you serve someone by mail - which is what I did.
Makes me a feel a little better, as if they respond it's more likely I could get a quick settlement! If they don't respond it could indicate they have or intend to file for bankruptcy - that would be bad news for me.
I'd imagine I'll see a response here today or tomorrow.
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Well shit... As of Today (November 8th 2019) a total amount of 29 days has elapsed.
According to the laws as I read them, Suburban Cadillac has surrendered by default any defenses.
I suppose we could have some post dated envelope show up, but honestly I'd fight it and subpoena the Post Office if I had to!
It's just like a low down attorney or law firm to try such a maneuver in my honest opinion, and while I really can't wait to start suing the credit reporting companies I want to make sure this one is "in the bag" before I go opening a much bigger can of worms in Federal Court!
I have even checked various online sources to ensure that the dealership hasn't filed for Bankruptcy and nothing is coming up so far!
So the only thing that I can imagine is that the dealership knowingly fucked me over! They probably had the title since day one and since that can be proven thru deposition - they do not want to risk that fact becoming public knowledge and thus they didn't even bother to respond! It kind of angers me a bit, so I am hoping the Judge will award me a nice monetary award in my motion for default judgement.
I am going to wait until Tuesday of next week to ensure nothing "post dated" shows up - but once I get the motion for default judgement entered it's pretty much case closed and on to the next one - which is a big one!
(1) A defendant must serve and file an answer or take other action permitted by law or these rules within 21 days after being served with the summons and a copy of the complaint in Michigan in the manner provided in MCR 2.105(A)(1).
(2) If service of the summons and a copy of the complaint is made outside Michigan, or if the manner of service used requires the summons and a copy of the complaint to be sent by registered mail addressed to the defendant, the defendant must serve and file an answer or take other action permitted by law or these rules within 28 days after service.
(3) When service is made in accordance with MCR 2.106, the court shall allow a reasonable time for the defendant to answer or take other action permitted by law or these rules, but may not prescribe a time less than 28 days after publication or posting is completed.
(4) A party served with a pleading stating a cross-claim or counterclaim against that party must serve and file an answer or take other action permitted by law or these rules within 21 days after service.
(5) A party served with a pleading to which a reply is required or permitted may serve and file a reply within 21 days after service of the pleading to which it is directed.
(6) In an action alleging medical malpractice filed on or after October 1, 1986, unless the defendant has responded as provided in subrule (A)(1) or (2), the defendant must serve and file an answer within 21 days after being served with the notice of filing the security for costs or the affidavit in lieu of such security required by MCL 600.2912d.
(B) Time for Filing Motion in Response to Pleading. A motion raising a defense or an objection to a pleading must be served and filed within the time for filing the responsive pleading or, if no responsive pleading is required, within 21 days after service of the pleading to which the motion is directed.
(C) Effect of Particular Motions and Amendments. When a motion or an amended pleading is filed, the time for pleading set in subrule (A) is altered as follows, unless a different time is set by the court:
(1) If a motion under MCR 2.116 made before filing a responsive pleading is denied, the moving party must serve and file a responsive pleading within 21 days after notice of the denial. However, if the moving party, within 21 days, files an application for leave to appeal from the order, the time is extended until 21 days after the denial of the application unless the appellate court orders otherwise.
(2) An order granting a motion under MCR 2.116 must set the time for service and filing of the amended pleading, if one is allowed.
(3) The response to a supplemental pleading or to a pleading amended either as of right or by leave of court must be served and filed within the time remaining for response to the original pleading or within 21 days after service of the supplemental or amended pleading, whichever period is longer.
(4) If the court has granted a motion for more definite statement, the responsive pleading must be served and filed within 21 days after the more definite statement is served.
(D) Time for Service of Order to Show Cause. An order to show cause must set the time for service of the order and for the hearing, and may set the time for answer to the complaint or response to the motion on which the order is based.
(E) Extension of Time. A court may, with notice to the other parties who have appeared, extend the time for serving and filing a pleading or motion or the doing of another act, if the request is made before the expiration of the period originally prescribed. After the expiration of the original period, the court may, on motion, permit a party to act if the failure to act was the result of excusable neglect. However, if a rule governing a particular act limits the authority to extend the time, those limitations must be observed. MCR 2.603(D) applies if a default has been entered.
(F) Unaffected by Expiration of Term. The time provided for the doing of an act or the holding of a proceeding is not affected or limited by the continuation or expiration of a term of court. The continuation or expiration of a term of court does not affect the power of a court to do an act or conduct a proceeding in a civil action pending before it.
Well the slippery fuckers slid in there with the standard metered mail post marked envelope and have responded. It would just figure that a slimy dealership would also have a slimy law firm.
Still does not show as posted in the courts computer, but I would imagine the postmark date printed by their metered mail machine has the same date as mine.
I will bring it up in future appearances, that they like to leave things to the last minute - but the rules are pretty clear,
(a)General rule. Title 26 U.S.C. 7502 provides that, if the requirements of such section are met, a document shall be deemed to be filed on the date of the postmark stamped on the cover in which such document was mailed. Thus, if the cover containing such document bears a timely postmark, the document will be considered filed timely although it is received after the last date, or the last day of the period, prescribed for filing such document. Title 26 U.S.C. 7502 is applicable only to those documents which come within the definition of such term provided by paragraph (b) of this section and only if the document is mailed in accordance with paragraph (c) of this section and is delivered in accordance with paragraph (d) of this section.
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Just know that if someone like you or I tried a stunt like this the courts would probably enter a default and force us to go thru the hassle of appealing under Title 26 U.S.C. 7502 just for leaving things until the last minute!
In fact I could see a Judge telling someone that they had an obligation to hand deliver such an instrument when leaving things to the last minute! Not even kidding!
And these law firms with their metered mail machines allow them to get away with this sort of thing. I am still going to check to see if the post office can identify the exact date it was received because if they did print a metered mail envelope on the 6th and then waited until the 7th to actually hand it to the postman then there could factually be no reasonable expectation that it was filed timely since standard US mail does not deliver same day and in my opinion it's technically a form of fraud if done on purpose.
All that aside, the response STILL does not show up on the courts computer yet and that means it won't be posted until Tuesday due to the weekend and Veterans day! I am pretty sure the courts will not back-date the ROA (Register of actions) but rather list the exact date they processed it. That is why most responsible people will advise to hand deliver and have date stamped any court documents that are submitted at the last moment. Depends on the Judge really, as some have no tolerance for games or leaving things to the last minute.
Ultimately, under "the US code" they are within their rights - unless they purposely post dated an envelope and handed it to the mail man on the 7th... This information I will be able to find out! If they didn't hand that envelope to the mailman on the 6th we're going to have a problem! Technically a metered mail stamp is not the same as a Post Office date - which is why they sell certified and registered mail services from the post office. It could end up costing them, but I won't know until Tuesday.
It's all good because I wanted to get some more information from them in discovery, but I am positive it will be like pulling teeth and I'll probably have to motion for discovery - unless they settle... I'd settle for 20% if they act swiftly to get me paid, but you know how attorneys are. They would rather bill the customer for a full on Jury trial and waste everyones time.
I also noticed someone voted that I was an asshole... I wonder who that was? Anyone care to fess up?
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Well, according to their attorney they deny everything and leave me to my proofs... LOL
It's like they think I don't have the proof to back everything up - but I do! Including the letter from the state of Michigan saying they were found in violation.
Some of their affirmative defenses are just as laughable, things like the statute of limitations being expired (which they are not) on down to claiming they are above the courts because they are regulated by the state! It's like HELLO! I have a letter from your regulator who says you are in violation and thus I have to sue your asses to get paid! It is hard to believe attorneys are allowed to just throw shit at the wall like this, but the law firm they are using isn't exactly top shelf.
I am really going to let them have it, in fact before all is said and done I may sue the fucking law firm too! LOL! It wouldn't be the first time! I had to sue AutoZones attorneys back in the days that I was suing them. They didn't like that but ended up settling rather quickly to save their own asses!
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There really is no fucking them good Shawnee... Really it is just going to be a long and protracted paper trail that will lead to a court ordered mediation that will see me get a relatively small settlement amount, just like always.
The way it works here in Michigan is that just before trail the court will order this mediation, the mediators will make a determination and recommendation. Whoever disagrees and wishes to proceed to trail will be responsible for the other sides legal cost should they lose. It's a real gambling mans guess when you impanel a Jury.
What I do know is in addition to the complaint filed with the state, and now a civil case seeking damages - the dealership has had to pay the State for their violations, and has had to employ a law firm to defend themselves. Furthermore, I am almost positive that the case mediators will find in my favor for some small ($800-$1500) amount - just enough for the Defendant to cap their possible losses and enough for me to recoup some damages and cap mine.
Of course the Defendant will first try and seek Summary Disposition, this is classic lawyer slime protocol.. they will throw buckets of shit on the wall hoping something sticks. I think my case is strong enough to survive a Summary Motion by the Defendant, in fact I will be seeking a Summary Judgement myself on the basis that a determination of fault has already been established by the Dealerships regulatory body and thus the only thing to determine are the damages, which can be done by the Judge without a Jury, especially since they claim to be exempt from the Michigan Consumer Protection act in their response. That being the case, and I was hoping they would - the only thing to determine is a fair amount of compensation/damages.
I'll let you know how that works out, but recently Michigan has become one of the two states that are known for the weakest consumer protection laws on the books. I intend to try and use that to my advantage.
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I have to get my response to their affirmative defenses in Monday... it is going to be tricky how I word it and I am booked solid thru the weekend with work - currently wrapping a timing belt around a Subaru Outback with four people biting at my heels to get in - so I will have to play it just right... Already, thanks to girl drama with my oldest son - I'm about 1/4 bottle in on the bakers bourbon... So it for sure aint happening tonight! Somehow I see this as an all nighter Sunday project and then having it notarized first thing Monday morning before I hand it in and send it to the defendant...
Also have to call the Defendants attorney to request the discovery information - such as state paperwork for the title to know exactly when it was issued. According to CarFax the state of Michigan issued it on 9/11 so it's looking like they straight up fucked me - but we will see... I want to file a motion for summary disposition based on the fact they are claiming exemption from the Michigan Consumer Protection act as a regulated business - that being the case they have admitted guilt and the only thing left to determine is the amount of damages I am entitled since the state has already ruled in my favor after an investigation and issued them with a notice of violation.
Timing... it's everything - since I am sure they are going to move for a summary judgement too... The attorney has to know that the state issuing a violation is a serious problem for them... I will basically have to say I am using the Michigan Consumer Protection act as a guideline to determine damages now, rather than a basis for figuring out their violation. Tricky but do-able... I'll let you know what I brew up next week!
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Turns out Subaru is Japanese... Thought they were like swiss or some shit... such is the case - the aftermarket does not provide adequate tensioners for timing belts and I have noticed this across ALL Japanese vehicles.. Just a little inside heads up, go with the factory tensioner - the rest is usually fine! Lucky I caught it before it rolled or I could have been on the hook for a flat four engine!
That said, it was a solid 24 hours of brain melting as I filed my motion for summary Judgement today, along with answering a few piddly ass request from the Defenandant's attorneys - all of which were neither confirmed or denied, rather leaving them to their proofs...
Think I will file a few request of my own on top of the Motion for Summary, which for people not in the know is a detailed and brain hurting experience as you must also produce a brief in support of said motion... All told, one pound of paperwork mailed out at $8 as it was over the 14 oz maximum for first class! LOL
I am pretty sure my next suit will require flat rate boxes to send out, but that's okay... After this $40k haircut all I can afford this winter is to sue people! LOL
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
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Think they used to be Swiseese ?? Had 3 or them, all awesome vehicles. One little one in Denver in 72, little fuker climbed back roads to Pikes peak area up to 14,000 feet then kinda ran out of air!!! Then got the ex a 83 or so, excellent car. Later a wagon, 74 or so. I'd buy a Subaru anytime, old ones anyway.
Happy Turkey day all! Just put my 14# butterball in the cooler be thawed tomorrow, my Bday. Didn't know my alltime heartthrob Tina Turner was a day before me. Hell we could have shared Cakes! She's 80 now. Swiss resident, happy and married loves her garden. Cool, good for her. After IKE she deserved it!
Well, got court on Wednesday for my motion for summary Judgement! The attorney for the other side even filed their response to said complaint over a week late! Just crazy and I plan on bringing it up first thing at trial Wednesday.
It doesn't help that I once filed a complaint against the Judge I am going in front of to the Michigan Judicial Tenure Commission while suing the Credit Union several years back, some of you might remember that case. I lost.
But this time my paperwork is much better and my case is a little stronger because I have a state agency backing me with an issuance of violation to the Dealership, but you never can tell...
I just have to keep my cool and take whatever the Judge dishes out because I'd rather motion for an appeal and file another complaint than be found in contempt.
Even though I am the Plaintiff, I still get butterflies in my stomach a few days before court.
I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on the outcome... Way I see it is I could either be awarded a judgement on the spot, my case could be summarily dismissed or the case could continue on to trial. If the latter I would ask to extend the time for discovery and make it really punishing in terms of billable hours for the Dealership's attorney, because honestly we would have to deposition a bunch of people and seek some other records to prepare for the Jury trial. I am not against taking it all the way, I just hope the courts and the Dealerships attorney realizes that would add about another 5 pounds to the case file. lol
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Also, after a little research I found that you have up to 7 days before the hearing date to submit your response to a Summery Judgement request... That being the case, they were not late...
Outside of the Judge giving me a TKO tomorrow, it's going to be a long haul I am afraid.. but at least I'll get the truth out of them! Only problem is they already know they are in the wrong, slimy bastards are trying to weasel their way out of it.
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So I didn't get the Summary Judgement that I had been seeking, but the case didn't get dismissed either.
I finally met the attorney for the other side and what a piece of work she is! Many falsehoods in her statements at court and although I ordered the transcripts I could swear that the ending has been altered from what I remember! I don't really know what to make of that!
I can not yet decide if the Judge is being impartial or not.. It's very hard not to lash out at them both with complaints but to file a premature complaint would expose me to limited options should things get worse, although I feel strongly the case needs oversight - especially since the transcripts seem to have an ending that I just don't recall. I try not to let it bother me too much, as I am pretty sure the case is going to mediation before it ever see's a jury impaneled. One thing I can say is that some attorneys are really dishonest and it does not amaze me one bit that this process is exactly why we have so much gridlock in Washington.
I already have a ruling from the state regulatory body for the dealership that they violated the vehicle code, specifically the one that states a dealership must have in it's possession a valid and transferable title prior to advertising it for sale. That much is indisputable, so I question why the Judge didn't just give me the win. The Defence is trying to claim an exemption to the Michigan Consumer Protection act because it is regulated, however the violation has nothing to do with the Michigan Consumer Protection Act, except to use it as a template for calculating damages. There are other elements such as bait and switch, which is honestly true because they tried to sell me a more expensive car, even offered to put me in a newer Escalade but I did not want car payments outside of the advance I had already taken. The bottom line is they really screwed up and apparently are going to fight it all the way even if it means they have to lie and ignore the law.
I worry the reason the Judge didn't give me Summary Judgement is because he may have a conflict of interest, as a Judge would be considered to me Cadillac's target audience and it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that the Judge has, or currently does do business with the dealership. If that were the case it would be a conflict of interest in my opinion but I haven't directly asked the Judge.
It is highly likely now that the dealerships attorney will attempt to get a Summary Disposition, meaning they will try to get the court to summarily dismiss the case based on some mumbo-jumbo the dealerships attorney will cook up. I will have to try and fight that off too, as you know the attorney is going to bill them a pretty penny to whip up a Motion for Summary as it must be accompanied by a detailed brief and supporting court rule and case law. Mine included all of these and still got shot down, so I would be very curious to see how this all works itself out.
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Just remember to remind the Judge at the end of proceedings, that they messed you around, & it cost you time & money. That's why you're there.
All the rest is bollox.
Sure the Judge may drive a Caddy (lol), & he may even use the Dealership too, but since you've brought to his attention that these-guys are not great business people, he May just take his business elsewhere...
Don't stress-out too much, or over-think matters mate.
Stress is interest-paid, on a debt that hasn't been acquired just yet.
I appreciate your positive input Rastus, it always helps when really worked up... But the reality here is that this Judge is the same Judge that stiffed me on the credit union deal, on account of the credit union having "roots" in the community - so he said. Have the transcripts too! It is also completely appropriate for me to question any possible conflict of interest as they would pertain to a friend/business relationship with the dealership. Why the Judge was unable to grant summary Judgement on the basis of the "state" investigation that found the dealership in violation is beyond me! He denied it knowing that the same State Regulators that over-see his tenure and the licenses of everyone from the dealership to the attorney representing the Dealership!
I have filed a complaint on this Judge in the past, here is the link
Well, as expected the Judge granted the Defendants motion for Summary right after denying mine.
The courts are so fucking corrupt! I swear to fucking gawd!
I can appeal and also file complaints against the Judge with the Judicial Tenure Commission but will that even do anything? Probably not...
I want to file a complaint so bad as the Judge clearly gave the attorney a professional courtesy in giving them an easy out to my Jury Trial demand. It's outrageous that I had the State of Michigan investigation letter finding the dealership in violation and yet the courts didn't even seem to care out the Regulatory Body's investigation - in fact the Judge seemed to be very Anti-State overall, even going so far as to say that the State regulatory bodies investigations meant nothing in his court! Even paid for the transcript of that hearing so that I can send it to the State regulatory body that investigates Judges and see how they feel about this Judges disdain for their findings!
Having the State of Michigans notice of violation on the Defendant should have been enough to survive any Summary motion and allow me my day in court, but this Judge doesn't even seem to care. I hope he feels the same way when that complaint letter from the Michigan Judicial Tenure Commission lands on his desk!
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It's outrageous that I had the State of Michigan investigation letter finding the dealership in violation, and yet the courts didn't even seem to care out the Regulatory Body's investigation - in fact the Judge seemed to be very Anti-State overall, even going so far as to say that "the State regulatory bodies investigations meant nothing in his court"!
It is crazy... the Judge giving the Defendant this victory is nothing short of a professional courtesy for the Defendants law firm. The real question here is what will I achieve by appealing? If the case gets kicked back to District court (aka I win the appeal), the Judge is just going to assign it to case evaluation, which is the states new way to ensure court cases get settled without trial. In a case evaluation several people from a company get together and weigh the current case and assign a value to it. If the case evaluators find that the case has merit and damages were incurred they will place a dollar amount on it or say it has no merit. Regardless, whoever does not agree to the findings of the CE becomes responsible for the other sides court cost should they lose in court. For me this is not even an option, and given the fact that in past CE's the amounts were less than $1000... but still, $1000 or anything over $100 is still money.
But here is the kicker, with the recent Wuhan scare I worry that my having to travel into the city and sit inside a courthouse full of people from all over I am not so sure I even want to expose myself further. There comes a time when you just have to weigh the cost/benefit factor. This could snail on for another year, maybe more! For me, doing paperwork and spending days in court are like completely shifting gears! It will become even more cumbersome as the appeal courts are in Detroit - and not just down the road in my local townships court house.
The clock is ticking, there are strict time limits in play to appeal. I have to make up my mind because once that time limit elapses - that's it. I could file a complaint but I have done that in the past and it doesn't seem to be netting me anything outside of being an investigator for the State pro-bono.
I have to weigh if my principled lawsuit can afford the costs, time and risks that taking the next step will commit me to. Problem with lawyers is they love appeals, they can still bill their client for responding and appearing at them since if I win the appeal their client is still on the hook. So I am sure the law firm would welcome any appeal with open arms, since they already have to be there anyway in a sense. That is what they do, and that is how they make their money.
Do I want to run up the cost for Suburban Cadillac some more? Sure! Do I want to commit to the process and see it thru even if some of the hearings could expose me to courts that share the same buildings as immigration offices, and a general mix of people in close proximity who may or may not have been to Wuhan recently! LOL, for me that is my biggest concern! I'd already be sitting on a beach somewhere right now if not for that worry! Something is telling me to hunker down and save my resources for a more serious, less principled endeavor of greater compensation.
But I still don't know.. Part of me feels like it would be doing a disservice to myself by not taking it to the bitter end of case evaluation.
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