Honduran migrant gunned down shortly after U.S. deportation
By Gustavo Palencia https://www.yahoo.com/news/honduran-teens-joined-migrant-caravan-killed-mexico-155726711.html
TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) - A Honduran migrant who had recently been deported from the United States was shot and killed a few blocks from his home, his family said on Wednesday, in another sign of the dangers faced by migrants fleeing Central American gangs.
Nelson Espinal, 28, was shot 15 times on Tuesday night shortly after leaving his home in the capital Tegucigalpa, said his sister, Patricia Espinal. The neighborhood is dominated by the Barrio 18 gang, one of the country's most dangerous.
Espinal was deported from the United States in late November and barred from returning for five years, according to documents from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
Nevertheless, Espinal, who worked in construction, planned to make another attempt to enter the country in January, his sister said.
"He said that if he did not leave, they were going to kill him," Patricia Espinal said as her mother, Sara Matamoros, wept. "That's why he left following the caravan."
Espinal was detained after crossing the border illegally in Arizona, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. He did not appear to be part of the migrant caravans trekking from Central America to the United States and did not seek asylum, the agency said.
On Wednesday, a U.S. federal judge struck down Trump administration policies aimed at restricting asylum claims by people citing gang or domestic violence in their home countries.
In Mexico, authorities are investigating the deaths of two migrant teenagers from Honduras who were killed in the border city of Tijuana last weekend.
The youths, believed to be about 16 or 17 years old, showed signs of having been stabbed and strangled. It could not be determined immediately if the victims had planned to apply for asylum.
Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador told reporters on Wednesday his government would seek "fair treatment" for migrants.
More than 2,000 mainly Honduran immigrants who traveled with the caravan remain in a shelter in Tijuana, Lopez Obrador said. U.S. President Donald Trump has insisted that they will not be allowed into the United States, but a few asylum seekers have already crossed the border.
The killings could fuel criticism of a policy proposal that Mexico and the United States discussed earlier this year to have Central American migrants wait in Mexico while their asylum claims are processed.
(Reporting by Gustavo Palencia in Tegucigalpa; additional reporting by Frank Jack Daniel in Mexico City and Kristina Cooke in San Francisco; writing by Julia Love; Editing by Steve Orlofsky and Tom Brown)
We have problems...Grossly disappointing news PowerStroker, no doubt here...And what will happen with the rest of the family ?...
Gangs, drugs & other illegal activity is a merciless world.
There's no 1-answer to these issues, though a clean-up of corrupted officials would be a place to start perhaps.
-- Edited by Rastus on Thursday 20th of December 2018 12:41:11 AM
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This criminal was taken out by his own people, outside of the USA! No innocent Americans suffered any harm as his enemies took him out, nor did any Americans foot the bill for the cleanup of the criminal - nor were our courts or police agencies congested trying to figure out why this criminal was killed.
It is a victory for AMERICA!
Youre welcome!
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If by "criminal" you mean a construction worker who crossed our border illegally to save his own life, then I guess he is. That you feel he got what he deserved is a bit disturbing... You could just as easily been born into a country like Honduras. Lets just hope that if you ever needed to run away from the Detroit area to save your own life, that your new neighbors would be truly "pro life" and a bit more accommodating to your basic human desire to live.
-- Edited by PowerStroker on Thursday 20th of December 2018 12:55:44 PM
It's because of these gangs & crime that the folks from the Honduras are leaving for a better life !
No one wants to leave their home SELLC. It's a pretty tough decision to make, only to be then turned-away by the land of Milk & Honey...
I'd suggest that to balance the scales, 4-years Military Service to earn your residency, for you & your family.
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"Espinal was detained after crossing the border illegally in Arizona, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. He did not appear to be part of the migrant caravans trekking from Central America to the United States and did not seek asylum, the agency said."
If it was that bad maybe he should have sought asylum. It's sad anyway any human is gunned down. But like Sell says, we know nothing about him or what happened. Was he connected to this gang at one time? Ratted them out or something? Why was he deported last time and barred 5 years? We just don't know.
Hey Rex, by my calculation this is one brown guy down, and about 3-4 billion to go. Perhaps if you dust off the facilities at Aushwitz you can speed up your process?
You did score awfully close to Hitler on the personality test, so you may as well use his equipment and keep his legacy alive right?
Many times deported, criminal illegal aliens, returning and killing white people. Kate comes to mind. The recent one let out of sanctuary city while Ice had a detainer, shot up people, terrible wreck. There are an awful lot of them, could fill a thread the size of Claritys.
Nah, Liberals don't celebrate when white (or any color) people get killed. Remember I'm down in the lower left corner, chillin with my man Gandhi.
I did the calculations you asked, and by my math it seems the percentage of illegal immigrants who murder people is less than the percentage of citizens who do. Further calculations found overall white people are responsible for more violence than any other ethnicity.
Technically, by my data, if one wanted to truly reduce homicide rates and other crime we should increase the amount of people we allow in our country... You know, to kinda "dilute" the white macho man culture that is responsible for so much of it.
Who woulda guessed?
-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 21st of December 2018 04:18:34 PM
What is the ratio of illegals to whites? 90-10? Makes a difference in calculations of "per nationality" I don't see that factored in your graph at all.
Don't figure it like anti gunners compare us to Canada. "OH US has more gun crime" Yeah, try to own a gun in Canada, makes a difference.
Watch the statistics, they can show ANYTHING they want. Remember if you can't swim don't try to cross a river with an average depth of 3 feet.
Why are prisons primarily black or latino? No not the unfair justice system, they do the crime.
I didn't think the "per nationality" was relevant if the main contention on your side is that anyone who crosses illegally (regardless of nationality) is a criminal who should be deported immediately. I think it's safe to say the overwhelming majority are coming from Mexico for those who are curious about the brownness of the illegals. But that piece of trivia is moot since the graph I posted shows aggregate date of all illegals... Most of which are brown, and still commit less crime than native born citizens.
Perhaps your chosen sources for "news" aren't informing you of white crime to the same extent they report brown crime?
-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 21st of December 2018 06:16:46 PM
The per nationality or particular group is the crux.
Sure the illegals commit roughy half the "crime" but there are only 1/12 as many, you understand that part?
If 300mil native born commit 1800 crimes,,, and 24mil illegals commit 800 crimes that's MUCH more per capita. So 1/12 as many illegal people commit 1/2 the crimes compared to native born.
800 crimes per 24 mil illegals compared to 1800 crimes per 300 mil native born. Do the math roughly the illegals commit 6 times as much crime per capita.
If by "criminal" you mean a construction worker who crossed our border illegally to save his own life, then I guess he is. That you feel he got what he deserved is a bit disturbing... You could just as easily been born into a country like Honduras. Lets just hope that if you ever needed to run away from the Detroit area to save your own life, that your new neighbors would be truly "pro life" and a bit more accommodating to your basic human desire to live.
I was not born in Honduras PowerStroker, unlike the migrants in Honduras I am ensuring my country does not become Honduras. Maybe you ought to grow up a little and understand that these are different times we live in now, thanks to people with YOUR mentality!
There are no free hand outs anywhere in the world that allows unlimited people to just come in whenever they feel like it. What makes you think we can do the same?
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I'd suggest that to balance the scales, 4-years Military Service to earn your residency, for you & your family.
That's an idea.
Are you fucking kidding me!? Do you really want our military made up of them idiots!? I mean front line infantry - maybe...
But cmon! You both have to be kidding!!
SEND THEM HOME WHERE THEY BELONG!
Better yet, BUILD THE WALL so we do not have to send them home!
Hmmm,
I'm sure that I read somewhere that over 80% of the US-of-A casualties ( read deaths ) In Vietnam were African Americans, fighting for their belief in a system that should have offered them equal opportunity.
RIP .
2-4 Year Military service "should" both prove & earn the right for anyone to become nationalized IMO.
I'm shocked at PowerStroker suggesting that SELLC dust-off the gas-chambers...I'll put that down to too much Bonded...But let's not forget that in Vietnam, as allies, we somehow thought that it was "OK" to slaughter people by dropping bombs that deposited diesel-jelly upon the enemy & then set itself alight, in the form of napalm...Some soul-searching is needed here IMO as to the ethics of doing this shyte.
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War seems to have it's own set-of-rules that make it perfectly legal to do horrendous stuff...
Poor gasoline all over the neighbors dog & set it alight, & you find yourself in jail for a few years...Poor gasoline on a human being that's the "enemy" in a politically made war, & set them alight, & it's OK to do...
Doesn't make sense to me, & the fact that it's ""war" as you put it makes no difference to the ethics involved IMO.
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