Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez explained democratic socialism and capitalism at SXSW
Annalisa Merelli
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South by Southwest (SXSW) isnt exactly a hotbed of progressive politics: Though the music, film, and media festival has become a major cultural event in American life, one wouldnt expect members of the US Congress to draw larger crowds than Silicon Valley executives.
Yet, on a day when several high-profile politicians such as Elizabeth Warren and Beto ORourke took the stage, the star was freshman congresswoman and instant Democratic Party phenomenon Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, otherwise known as AOC. Attendees tweeted of , with some without being able to squeeze in.
On stage, Ocasio-Cortez talked about the hot topics of her political agenda, touching upon identity politics, the Green New Deal, the, and the obstacles faced by minorities.
On the last point, she advised, Stop trying to navigate systems that werent built for you. We need to build new systems.
Ocasio-Cortez also got to discuss an historically thorny topic in American politics: socialism. Addressing the rising popularity of socialism, and the fearmongering that it will mean an end of individual rights, she used simple semantics to explain why she doesnt believe in unmitigated capitalism:
"Capitalism, to me, is an ideology of capital. The most important thing is the concentration of capital, and it means that we prioritize profit and the accumulation of money above all else, and we seek it at any human and environmental cost But when we talk about ideas like democratic socialism, it means putting democracy and society first, instead of capital first; it doesnt mean that the actual concept of capitalistic society should be abolished."
Like much of her interview, this drew applause and support from the audiencethe kind of reaction that, in many previous editions of SXSW, might have been reserved for startup founders or movie stars.
Cortez is just a dreamy eyed buck toothed kid being propped up by the liberal media for the sole purpose of pissing off conservatives. Not even old enough to be President the dark forces of the Democrat party are elevating this head-case because that is what Democrats have always done, which is to find some attractive rookie to captivate the very small minds of the liberals.
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Cortez is just a dreamy eyed buck toothed kid being propped up by the liberal media for the sole purpose of pissing off conservatives. Not even old enough to be President the dark forces of the Democrat party are elevating this head-case because that is what Democrats have always done, which is to find some attractive rookie to captivate the very small minds of the liberals.
Democrats see her as the key to power...
They hope she will attract the young and foolish...
The democrats are proving they will embrace any and all left-wing extremist for power...
2016 scared them as a large dose of reality hit them hard...They were absolutely convinced Hillary Clinton could not lose...
They THOUGHT they had it in the bag...
They are doubling down by embracing the Talib, Omar, Cortez which represent different extreme segments of their party...they do so for votes...
They can not force their agenda without the presidency and they know it...
for 30 years due to the DNC and the way it operated....you have few democratic candidate each election cycle...undo their corruption...AKA unrigging the game...
democrats are going to get to have a real choice in 2020...the downside for them...is it will upset certain segments of their base when their candidate is not the chosen...that hurts their turn out which is already dismall...
to be honest I think the only chance the democrats have at all in 2020 is to run a non-white candidate...likely a black female...and no it will most certainly not be Kamala Harris...
I predict the democrats will run Stacy Abrams it would not surprise me to see a Abrams/Booker ticket in 2020...
But Democrats are going to have to find a way to unite a LOT of quirky fringe extremist groups...The feeling are one removed from spirit nuts, the radical socialist, the antifa morons, the ones wearing vagina hats...these are not easy groups to unite by any stretch of the imagination...
remember march 2019 I called it...lol
-- Edited by Nuffan on Sunday 10th of March 2019 09:13:04 AM
It is highly probable that an overwhelming majority of Democrats dont even realize Cortez is too young to run for President, just like PowerStroker. Hopefully when they all realize this it will be too late as all the spotlight was wasted on a non-runnable candidate. We can almost be certain that between now and the time Cortez grows up enough to run that she will have been proven to be the nut-job that she is.
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Well, if she's said just about everything, perhaps somebody can post a video of her advocating for government ownership of the means of production, I'd sure like to see it.
I'd like to see her actually call for socialism (government ownership of the means of production) in a video clip. It shouldn't be too hard to find if what you guys are saying is true.
I'd like to see her actually call for socialism (government ownership of the means of production) in a video clip. It shouldn't be too hard to find if what you guys are saying is true.
I'd like to hear you reconcile a GUARANTEED government job...that is government taking ownership...
A guaranteed government job isn't government ownership of the means of production.
The military is always hiring, those are government jobs, and that has been the case long before Cortez was born. Does the fact that the government is always hiring somewhere mean we are socialist in your mind?
A guaranteed government job isn't government ownership of the means of production.
The military is always hiring, those are government jobs, and that has been the case long before Cortez was born. Does the fact that the government is always hiring somewhere mean we are socialist in your mind?
This is the same kind of looney liberal logic that sees Democrats allowing people to pick and choose when it comes to gender.
It's socialism that Cortez and Sanders are pushing... I don't think there is an age requirement for vice-president so that could be what we see in 2020...
Edit - Just checked, it's 35 for Vice President! Thank gawd!
-- Edited by SELLC on Sunday 10th of March 2019 10:00:07 AM
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A guaranteed government job isn't government ownership of the means of production.
The military is always hiring, those are government jobs, and that has been the case long before Cortez was born. Does the fact that the government is always hiring somewhere mean we are socialist in your mind?
You're so fucking ignorant...
The government is not a business...it does not have consumers it has tax payers that is all...
it can not guarantee all a job unless it takes over the means of production...it is simply NOT possible...
typical ignorant leftist...wants to conflate government hiring people to guaranteed employment for all citizens...and not just jobs HIGH PAYING JOBS....
not sure if you have paid attention, but it is damn near criminal how little we pay our military boys...sure a general makes bank not your average troop...
You like her seem to think that capitalism will just ignore these ridiculous mandates...
You can not take on the communistic agenda and expect Capitalism to remain...they are polar opposites...
Everything about her Green New Deal would require us to move to government control...
The private sector is never going to do the things her deal calls for...
WAKE UP...
-- Edited by Nuffan on Sunday 10th of March 2019 10:11:21 AM
Yup, I'm up to speed, and can't find a single shred of evidence wherein AOC ever advocated for government ownership of the means of production.
I realize you guys want to elevate this whole "AOC is a socialist" thing to religion status, which is why we need to nip this in the butt early.
Guy, I would debate you about this but why waste the time!? It has already been PROVEN that you have a reality problem and that FACTS mean absolutely nothing to you.
You can't have it both ways PowerStroker, either you're an adult who is capable of handing things like the truth - or you're still a child like Cortez and much of the Democrat party who are incapable of grown up discussion.
Which one is it PowerStroker? Because the general public rejected your way of thinking in 2016.
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He just wants the government to force the private sector to do things more fairly...lol
Both he and AOC do not understand that once the government FORCES IT...it is no longer the private sector...
I can appreciate AOC thinks she can accomplish what she wants through re-prioritizing how the government spends tax revenues...
but that is simply her lack of understanding...just like her total lack of understanding on the Amazon HQ2 deal...
She could make a very good politician...She has the charisma and the ability to speak well...but all she is right now is a very dangerous and ignorant person...a good speaker with a lack of knowledge will get us no where and fast...
-- Edited by Nuffan on Sunday 10th of March 2019 10:21:35 AM
She could make a very good politician...She has the charisma and the ability to speak well...but all she is right now is a very dangerous and ignorant person...a good speaker with a lack of knowledge will get us no where and fast...
AOC is so full of shit that her eyes have turned brown! She will NEVER make a good politician! Stupid is not something that can be cured just by getting older!
I know someone else that was a good speaker, his name is Obama... Even though I know he is a selfish narcissist I still find him personable but only because in his early political career he was very conservative and low key. Then when he ran for President against McCain there was none of this craziness that you see from AOC. Obama rolled up his sleeves and made a case for his positions. Hind sight being 20/20, it obvious that Obama was a better pick than the turn coat McCain - however Romney would have given Obama a much better fight and prevented McCain from being elevated in politics to the point he could cause the party as much grief as he did prior to his death.
She will always be dangerous and ignorant because she really hasn't worked for anything. Right now you can genuinely feel her excitement because she is being wisp around and treated like a modern day rock-star. Who is paying for her high cost of upkeep, travel and residency is still unknown, but we know at least a million dollars has been funneled into an account without commission oversight. She is being groomed and fawned by the left because she is very young and controllable. She is already OWNED to the tune of $1 million dollars of dark money.
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A private sector can be regulated, and still be private. Glass Stegall worked quite well for us, and shit blew up when it was repealed.
Only they are not speaking about REGULATION...they are speaking to government control...
Regulation is stopping a corporation from dumping chemicals in the water supply...
Preventing an Investor from gambling with your money using FDIC commercial mortgages...that is a regulation...
When the government starts determining how much money a person can make...and guaranteeing jobs, that is not regulation...that is manipulation and control and that is communism...
-- Edited by Nuffan on Sunday 10th of March 2019 11:59:34 AM
Some claim there could be a Biden / Obama ticket...
That would be interesting - watching Obama play 2nd fiddle to Biden! LOL
Obama can not run as vice president...as the role of vice president is to take over in case something happens to the president...and he is not eligible to be president again without a change to the constitution...
Biden will never get the nomination...
Sanders will never get the nomination...
and those two are probably the best chance the democrats have..
again hear me now...we will see Stacy Abrams as a candidate before it is all over...
Schumer wants her to do a term as senator first...
but those desperate on the left want her to make her run for president in 2020....
Then they can play the race and gender card...while rallying against the invisible (ghost of a ghost) white privilege...
A guaranteed government job isn't government ownership of the means of production.
The military is always hiring, those are government jobs, and that has been the case long before Cortez was born. Does the fact that the government is always hiring somewhere mean we are socialist in your mind?
You're so fucking ignorant...
The government is not a business...it does not have consumers, it has tax payers that is all..
I disagree here...The Government does nothing but make us swallow huge amounts of shyte... !
And places like Universities are very-much businesses...
Most of your elected / high-ranking Government officials are one-minute Vice President of some Corporation, & the next, running for office...
Perhaps technically on paper, the Government is not meant to be a business, but the people who are the Government come from big business...And that's your biggest problem IMO, there's no-one to vote for that isn't corrupted.
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"Only an alert & knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial & military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods & goals, so that security & liberty may prosper together". Dwight D.Eisenhower.
^ Which is not socialism, it may be debated as regulatory overreach, but we should be more precise in what we call it.
No it is not socialism it is COMMUNISM...
When the government starts forcing business to do things the way government wants it is no longer capitalism...
Socialism puts the means of production in the hands of the workers...which is a genuine lie...as the government will have to force it...
Communism puts the means of production in the hands of the government...
Trying to claim it is simple regulatory over reach is ignorance...
When the government takes that level of control...it is communism...
We get she is your parties new darling and you want to protect her...
No capitalist will give over to the government that level of control...
This idea that you are going to somehow maintain a free market capitalism with the government dictating every aspect of the business is just a COMPLETE LIE....
As we saw in Venezuela those with the CAPITAL will shut down and leave...
Hell look what happened in Queens...a small group of politicians came out against the Amazon HQ2...Now Queens is not getting all those high paying jobs...and the State is losing out on an estimated 1.1 billion in annual revenue...
ALL because of government IGNORANCE...
In AOC own words a few ordinary citizen stopped a giant...
Yes you did you stopped a giant who was going to bring JOBS to your state...
Bernie Sanders started this lie of democratic socialism...
He likes the thought of milking capitalism to pay for his socialist agenda...
only capitalism does not stick around it leaves...soon with no capital, there is no production and labor without capital is worthless...
at the end of the day the capitalist has capital because at some point they traded their labor for that capital...
think LABOR has (or should have) the control? LOL
Well the capitalist can live off the capital they have...
lets see labor do that...
There is a reason capitalism WORKS...just like there is a reason the world goes round...
Just like there is a reason that socialism ALWAYS results in communism...
-- Edited by Nuffan on Monday 11th of March 2019 07:49:01 AM
A guaranteed government job isn't government ownership of the means of production.
The military is always hiring, those are government jobs, and that has been the case long before Cortez was born. Does the fact that the government is always hiring somewhere mean we are socialist in your mind?
You're so fucking ignorant...
The government is not a business...it does not have consumers, it has tax payers that is all..
I disagree here...The Government does nothing but make us swallow huge amounts of shyte... !
And places like Universities are very-much businesses...
Most of your elected / high-ranking Government officials are one-minute Vice President of some Corporation, & the next, running for office...
Perhaps technically on paper, the Government is not meant to be a business, but the people who are the Government come from big business...And that's your biggest problem IMO, there's no-one to vote for that isn't corrupted.
Have you actually been to the United States?
A large majority of the people in our government came from local government...county boards, to state representatives to governors...Usually those that were at one time governor make a run at president...most in congress came from some form of local government...
Every once in a while a local business man will aspire for the power and run for Governor...and if they do well they may seek higher office...
That is more the exception than the rule...
actually more people come from Hollywood than big business...
Clinton's were technically lawyers but spent most their live in politics...
Bush's whole family of politicians...
Ronald Reagan Hollywood to Governor of California to President...
WE love to STAR FUCK in the good ole USA...
But your notion that all these people in government came from business is IGNORANT as hell...
LOBBYIST tend to get high paying positions with the company they lobby for...because they bribe our elected representatives...
the only thing you got right at all was the part about corruption...and that exists on both sides of the aisle...
Too many elected representatives have never done ANYTHING but GOVERNMENT...
THAT IS THE DAMN PROBLEM....
Most business people want nothing to do with government, particularly those that are any good...
-- Edited by Nuffan on Monday 11th of March 2019 07:18:53 AM
I could go on, but I won't, as I'm only repeating myself from years ago, of having already discussed these matters with other forum members in various posts...
The Illuminati thread was good there for a while, but it leaned towards conspiracy theory for some members here, & lack of discussion saw it fade away. Lot's of juicy stuff about the US-of-A & its aristocracy in there...
(NB. I had to edit in new links, as the original ones didn't work sorry...)
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"Only an alert & knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial & military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods & goals, so that security & liberty may prosper together". Dwight D.Eisenhower.
I could go on, but I won't, as I'm only repeating myself from years ago, of having already discussed these matters with other forum members in various posts...
The Illuminati thread was good there for a while, but it leaned towards conspiracy theory for some members here, & lack of discussion saw it fade away. Lot's of juicy stuff about the US-of-A & its aristocracy in there...
-- Edited by Rastus on Monday 11th of March 2019 08:02:42 AM
Everyone comes from somewhere...
HW and GW were not oil barons...
HW was in the CIA and became vice president under Reagan...
GW own a baseball team because daddy gave him something to do...He fucked that up then became governor of Texas...
His brother Jeb was governor of Florida...
The family money came from oil...HW's father funded Hitler...
HW's father took the family into the political arena...
Cheney was a Bush Sr crony...who was place as VP because GW could barely tie his own shoes...
but still speaking about the exception to the rule...
that is not MOST in our government...those are few and far between exceptions...
I never said no one from business ever goes into politics...
but the fact remains that most in politics today have always been politicians or lawyers....
lots of lawyers who do not cut it go into politics...
Why I picked Bush's & Cheney is simply because of ...
1. The incredible & diabolical effect on world events that the Bush family has been involved in, & remains on-going beyond today & for over the last Century...
2. Cheney manipulated world events to suit his bank account, & is still reaping the rewards to this day. And will tomorrow too...
The web & history of both the Oil industry & the Military Industrial Complex ( among others ) is incredible to learn about, along with the names past & present that hold much influence behind the scenes in World politics & decision making.
Secret Societies & entities such as the Bilderberger's confirm all conspiracy theories into very possible & likely factual conclusions.
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"Only an alert & knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial & military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods & goals, so that security & liberty may prosper together". Dwight D.Eisenhower.
"Communism is a political and economic system in which the major productive resources in a society such as mines, factories, and farms are owned by the public or the state, and wealth is divided among citizens equally or according to individual need."
Cortez aint advocating ^^^ that either. She still wants capitalism, just not lazzes faire capitalism. Nice try though.
-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 11th of March 2019 09:51:08 AM
"Communism is a political and economic system in which the major productive resources in a society such as mines, factories, and farms are owned by the public or the state, and wealth is divided among citizens equally or according to individual need."
Cortez aint advocating ^^^ that either. She still wants capitalism, just not lazzes faire capitalism. Nice try though.
-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 11th of March 2019 09:51:08 AM
You're wrong...read her NEW DEAL...
That is exactly where her plan takes it to full government ownership and control...
Sure her and Bernie want to keep capitalism...because that is the only way to pay for all the programs they want...
The part you are ignoring is CAPITALISM will no longer exist under those terms...
It was on it's way out...prior to 2016 election...Capitalist were again starting to flee the country to cheaper countries to operate in...
They no longer had to be here to sell here...
Changes to trade are reversing that...
reduction in taxes had to be a part of it...
the left things they can just take and take from capitalism like capitalism has no choice but to endure such nonsense...
Capitalism is a self correcting economic system...You may not find it fair....AOC and Bernie Sanders may not find that it is fair...
but it is...and it forces the lazy to produce like everyone else...or starve...
productive resource like mines...
Yep they want government to take over all that...shut down the coal mines through government force...
She wants the government to bring on all new green jobs...
Just because you want to play dumb to these FACTS does not mean they are not true...
Guaranteed jobs...
Whole new green energy plan that is controlled by the government...that is where she says the guaranteed jobs will come from in fact
She wants capitalism??? she does not even know what capitalism is...
When she starts with Capitalism...to me...is...
She is trying to redefine the term...not advocating we stay a capitalist country...
She claims she can pay for everything with high tax on those making over 10 million annually...and making some changes to how the government prioritizes the budget...
Capitalism is an economic, social and political system where private individuals control a country's trade and business. The government has little or no control over the market.
we already have too much government causing a form of crony capitalism...
injecting more and more government control will only destroy capitalism...
You think it can COEXISTS...
It can not...The United States is PROOF...
The more and more we keep using the government to try and alter capitalism to CARE about social issues...
The more debt we grow...and the further we get from a market that will self correct without GOVERNMENT STIMULUS which only last until the government stops stimulating...
Eventually the entrepreneur bails on the economy because government wants all the proceeds...
The US does not even make the top 10 capitalist countries in the world today...
WHY? because of government interference...
-- Edited by Nuffan on Monday 11th of March 2019 01:44:52 PM
Her new deal is only a starting point for a negotiation. Now it's up to you guys to offer amendments and alternative suggestions, at least if you're actually interested in governing anyway.
Her new deal is only a starting point for a negotiation. Now it's up to you guys to offer amendments and alternative suggestions, at least if you're actually interested in governing anyway.
What?
LMAO
Here new deal is the manuscript for government control...
yet according to you she wants capitalism....lol
Her GREEN NEW DEAL is about as anti-capitalism as it gets...
Her new deal is only a starting point for a negotiation. Now it's up to you guys to offer amendments and alternative suggestions, at least if you're actually interested in governing anyway.
In a "normal" setting someone who proposes such crazy nonsense as AOC would just be fired before they could actually cause catastrophic danger to the company.
I think voters are going to sit AOC down in 2020 and let her know she is fired.
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