How 'Pepe the Frog' went from harmless to hate symbol

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Pence Ryan email chain 2016

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Pepe the Nazi frog at about 10 minutes in is a nice touch, and very fitting.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Yea the frog is funny.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Pepe the Nazi frog at about 10 minutes in is a nice touch, and very fitting.

I never even knew the frog had a name until PowerStroker told me... Remember that time I posted one of them asking what they were? Well now you know what forum they came from! lol

I personally like the WB Frog... Hello my baby - Hello my darling!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

For extra credit, does anyone know the name of the WB frog?

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Don't know.

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Shawnee_B wrote:
Yea the frog is funny.

Image result for pepe the nazi frog

So a Nazi symbol is funny, but when Congresswoman Omar says something antisemitic it's horrible? Nazis systematically exterminated more than 6 million Jews.

Spare me the righteous indignation.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 18th of March 2019 08:34:02 PM

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https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
Yea the frog is funny.

So a Nazi symbol is funny, but when Congresswoman Omar says something antisemitic it's horrible? Nazis systematically exterminated more than 6 million Jews.
Spare me the righteous indignation.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 18th of March 2019 08:34:02 PM

No,,, the frog is funny. Not a nazi symbol. If you go back to that 10 min mark you will see the frog but NO nazi symbol on it at all.

What Omar says about jews is not my problem with her at all.

-- Edited by Shawnee_B on Monday 18th of March 2019 11:20:15 PM

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

Shawnee_B wrote:
PowerStroker wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
Yea the frog is funny.

So a Nazi symbol is funny, but when Congresswoman Omar says something antisemitic it's horrible? Nazis systematically exterminated more than 6 million Jews.
Spare me the righteous indignation.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 18th of March 2019 08:34:02 PM
No,,, the frog is funny. Not a nazi symbol. If you go back to that 10 min mark you will see the frog but NO nazi symbol on it at all.
What Omar says about jews is not my problem with her at all.

-- Edited by Shawnee_B on Monday 18th of March 2019 11:20:15 PM

I wonder how many people the US-of-A & its allies have murdered since WW-II in "little wars" in the name of democracy ?...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

When you say allies, do you mean allies like our Australian comrades? You know, the ones that whine about killing people all the while locking up its immigrants on Christmas Island?

Them allies?

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Shawnee_B wrote:
No,,, the frog is funny. Not a nazi symbol. If you go back to that 10 min mark you will see the frog but NO nazi symbol on it at all.
What Omar says about jews is not my problem with her at all.

The frog IS a Nazi symbol, and has been used interchangeably with a swastika by the neo-nazi movement. Finding pictures of Pepe without a crematorium in the background doesn't change that reality. Both of my grandfathers fought in WW2 against the Nazis, so anything that tries to add humor or minimizes Nazism is highly offensive to me. If you don't believe me, just Google Pepe the frog and see the images that portray him.

I don't believe you are a Nazi Shawnee, but you actively seek your information from the same places that real Nazis do, and that worries me.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
No,,, the frog is funny. Not a nazi symbol. If you go back to that 10 min mark you will see the frog but NO nazi symbol on it at all.
What Omar says about jews is not my problem with her at all.

The frog IS a Nazi symbol, and has been used interchangeably with a swastika by the neo-nazi movement. Finding pictures of Pepe without a crematorium in the background doesn't change that reality. Both of my grandfathers fought in WW2 against the Nazis, so anything that tries to add humor or minimizes Nazism is highly offensive to me. If you don't believe me, just Google Pepe the frog and see the images that portray him.
I don't believe you are a Nazi Shawnee, but you actively seek your information from the same places that real Nazis do, and that worries me.

I didn't know that about Pepe at all. I didn't even know his name till you said it, to me was a funny frog is all. I wonder if where that info came from they didn't know? They have been fairly level and consistent the few I have watch. I'll keep an eye on it.

Father and his Brother fought the Japanese in ww2. Both Grandfathers were OLD, one was WW1

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Googled. here's one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog

US cartoonist invented him 2005. However OTHERS use them in their memes whatever and the creator is pissed somethimes they are used as a hate symbol.

How 'Pepe the Frog' went from harmless to hate symbol

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pepe-the-frog-hate-symbol-20161011-snap-htmlstory.html

Very good history on Pepe, he was not born a simply a Nazi. Dark corners of the internet did that

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
No,,, the frog is funny. Not a nazi symbol. If you go back to that 10 min mark you will see the frog but NO nazi symbol on it at all.
What Omar says about jews is not my problem with her at all.

The frog IS a Nazi symbol, and has been used interchangeably with a swastika by the neo-nazi movement. Finding pictures of Pepe without a crematorium in the background doesn't change that reality. Both of my grandfathers fought in WW2 against the Nazis, so anything that tries to add humor or minimizes Nazism is highly offensive to me. If you don't believe me, just Google Pepe the frog and see the images that portray him.
I don't believe you are a Nazi Shawnee, but you actively seek your information from the same places that real Nazis do, and that worries me.

You're welcome to be offended all you like...

To act like that frog is commonly known or associated to Neo-Nazi movement is bullshit...just like claiming a confederate flag stands for racism, and slavery...

Southern Racist after the civil war were horrible people...but it was not the entire south...most citizens never owned a slave, did not agree with slavery...those who fought for the south during the civil war were not doing so to protect or abolish slavery...but over who had the ultimate authority over such matters the state or the federal government...

Trying to rewrite history to suit a narrative is CRAP...

Most soldiers on either side of the civil war did not have slaves...

This false narrative that the North was free territory and the south was slave territory is revisionist nonsense...

Slaves in Union States at the start of the Civil War...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Shawnee_B wrote:
Googled. here's one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
US cartoonist invented him 2005. However OTHERS use them in their memes whatever and the creator is pissed somethimes they are used as a hate symbol.
How 'Pepe the Frog' went from harmless to hate symbol
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pepe-the-frog-hate-symbol-20161011-snap-htmlstory.html
Very good history on Pepe, he was not born a simply a Nazi. Dark corners of the internet did that

Good work Shawnee!

Sounds like exactly what they are trying to do to Trump as well!

You should take notice of this PowerStroker!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Oh I usually notice things Rex, don't worry. Like the above chart showing Kentucky was by far the worst offender for slavery (at least among Union states), though Kentucky actually was neutral during the civil war. They actually kept ramping up the number of slaves as time went on. Didn't that state go for Trump in 2016?

Shawnee I absolutely believe you when you say you didn't know what Pepe stands for (at least to some). I also found the article you posted explaining the entire evolution of Pepe to be very informative and interesting.

I have a strong suspicion though, that the person who created the video you posted knew exactly what he was doing with Pepe, and meant it in the worst way possible.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Tuesday 19th of March 2019 07:34:23 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

And the answer for the name of the WB Frog,

Michigan J. Frog!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjsN-J27aU

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
1.When you say allies, do you mean allies like our Australian comrades?
2.You know, the ones that whine about killing people all the while locking up its immigrants on Christmas Island?
3.Them allies?

R1.Yes. ( Careful with the use of the word comrade SELLC, it's Russian, & folks may think that you've defected over )...

R2. We have over a dozen detention centers here in Oz. Christmas Island just happens to be the one that the UK nuked the shit-out-of with US-of-A processed Uranium, in an effort to acquire the Hydrogen Bomb...I guess that the folks they send there don't stay healthy for too long...

R3. Yes...

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Oh I usually notice things Rex, don't worry. Like the above chart showing Kentucky was by far the worst offender for slavery (at least among Union states), though Kentucky actually was neutral during the civil war. They actually kept ramping up the number of slaves as time went on. Didn't that state go for Trump in 2016?

Shawnee I absolutely believe you when you say you didn't know what Pepe stands for (at least to some). I also found the article you posted explaining the entire evolution of Pepe to be very informative and interesting.

I have a strong suspicion though, that the person who created the video you posted knew exactly what he was doing with Pepe, and meant it in the worst way possible.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Tuesday 19th of March 2019 07:34:23 PM

Didn't KY join the Confederacy at just about the end? Think so. There were battles here regardless. I saw that, they had quite a few slaves. Yes Trump state except Louisville and Lexington were not, of course.

I thought that article was pretty good too. Some bad people made Pepe into a bad frog, NOT ALL, NOT the MAJORITY. I believe that area 17 is OK. The neo nazi alt right used a nazi Pepe, but who knows. There was another of theirs with Pepe, no nazi stuff.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Oh I usually notice things Rex, don't worry. Like the above chart showing Kentucky was by far the worst offender for slavery (at least among Union states), though Kentucky actually was neutral during the civil war. They actually kept ramping up the number of slaves as time went on. Didn't that state go for Trump in 2016?

Shawnee I absolutely believe you when you say you didn't know what Pepe stands for (at least to some). I also found the article you posted explaining the entire evolution of Pepe to be very informative and interesting.

I have a strong suspicion though, that the person who created the video you posted knew exactly what he was doing with Pepe, and meant it in the worst way possible.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Tuesday 19th of March 2019 07:34:23 PM

Wow you think Kentucky voted for Trump because they were racist back in the days of the civil war?

Just anything to leap to the narrative you wish to support...even though it is completely based in LIES...

The point is the narrative of the southern slave states are just not true...The north had just as many slaves...now the further north you went the less you saw...

but the number of slaves in confederate states is on par with the number of slaves in the union states...

The north was not the land of freedom the way the revisionist want it painted...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Tuesday 19th of March 2019 08:38:39 PM

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How did this thread become about slavery? I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees slavery was a stain on American history. Just as I'm sure everyone here agrees the holocaust was a stain on human history that should never be allowed to happen again.

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PowerStroker wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees slavery was a stain on American history. Just as I'm sure everyone here agrees the holocaust was a stain on human history that should never be allowed to happen again.

Agreed 100%.

We should also not forget about the 60,000,000 Russian people that perished too, by Russians themselves...

We should also remember the ongoing assault world-wide from the Nuclear Industry sending nasty toxins into our environment & bodies every day.

We also need to question our world-wide economic priorities too, & the killing of innocent peoples for the theft or their natural resources, in the name of "terrorism" based on false "intelligence"...

It has been estimated that if all the money in the world was placed on, & divided equally onto a chess board, that only one square of all that money would go into the well-being & development of humanity. The rest of the board & its money goes into military organization & its weapons...

We have problems !

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
How did this thread become about slavery? I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees slavery was a stain on American history. Just as I'm sure everyone here agrees the holocaust was a stain on human history that should never be allowed to happen again.

Slavery just like the holocaust is a stain on human history...

America was not the ONLY country to allow slavery...

Funny you go out of your way to make America sound HORRID...but then do not claim the HOLOCAUST was a stain on "German" history...

Slavery is in your eyes only a American thing, yet the holocaust was a human thing...

careful your agenda is showing...

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I'm fully aware the original Nazis were German, just trying to keep it that way if you don't mind.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Rastus wrote:
PowerStroker wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees slavery was a stain on American history. Just as I'm sure everyone here agrees the holocaust was a stain on human history that should never be allowed to happen again.

Agreed 100%.
We should also not forget about the 60,000,000 Russian people that perished too, by Russians themselves...
We should also remember the ongoing assault world-wide from the Nuclear Industry sending nasty toxins into our environment & bodies every day.
We also need to question our world-wide economic priorities too, & the killing of innocent peoples for the theft or their natural resources, in the name of "terrorism" based on false "intelligence"...
It has been estimated that if all the money in the world was placed on, & divided equally onto a chess board, that only one square of all that money would go into the well-being & development of humanity. The rest of the board & its money goes into military organization & its weapons...
We have problems !

Give credit to some of the others too like Pol Pot. Mao, Ho chi min, Saddam, Yasha Khan (2-12 million) Hers's the 13 deadlist

https://www.thedailybeast.com/saddam-hussein-hitler-stalin-mao-and-more-13-deadliest-dictators-photos

Heck lookie here. First OP was on an email chain Pence and Ryan, then Pepe the nazi, then slavery, now dictators... Love it! I could care less how much we stray off topic long as we have discussions.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I'm fully aware the original Nazis were German, just trying to keep it that way if you don't mind.

but you paint slavery as an American stain....

Are you equally aware that slavery took place in many countries not just America...

try as you might...your AGENDA is showing....

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Many would argue that slavery still goes on around the world and even right here in the USA today!

I mean not to the degree it was in days past, but similar.. the difference being now is you don't have to live on the plantation to be a Democrat!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yes Nuffan, I am aware slavery has taken place in other places, but thanks for the reminder. My only agenda is preventing fascism from taking hold here, which the evidence suggests is far more likely than slavery taking place here again.

Rex, aside from sex trafficking there isn't presently slavery here, at least none sanctioned by the government. There have been economic polices enacted however that could lead us toward a type of feudalism, which would also suck, but for the overwhelming majority of citizens instead of a minority.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 10:19:48 PM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Yes Nuffan, I am aware slavery has taken place in other places, but thanks for the reminder. My only agenda is preventing fascism from taking hold here, which the evidence suggests is far more likely than slavery taking place here again.
Rex, aside from sex trafficking there isn't presently slavery here, at least none sanctioned by the government. There have been economic polices enacted however that could lead us toward a type of feudalism, which would also suck, but for the overwhelming majority of citizens instead of a minority.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 10:19:48 PM

Feudalism? REALLY? you honestly think the United States would return to Lords and Vassals based on land ownership?

Wow...

America creates more millionaires than ever...

Poverty is trending downward...we have managed to keep poverty below 15% for better than 30 years...

and most poverty today is from poor decisions...not because the system is causing mass poverty...

Democrats should be worried...the economics are against them in 2020...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I think fascism is more likely than feudalism actually. One need only visit this place to see it.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I think fascism is more likely than feudalism actually. One need only visit this place to see it.

Only danger of FASCISM is if the LEFTIST who are taking over the democratic party actually get control...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Fascism is the far right extreme of the political spectrum, just as communism is the far left.

Communism would make us all poor, fascism would make us all evil. Extremes are never a good place to live, but given the choice, I have less fear of poverty than evil.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Fascism is the far right extreme of the political spectrum, just as communism is the far left.

Communism would make us all poor, fascism would make us all evil. Extremes are never a good place to live, but given the choice, I have less fear of poverty than evil.

The extreme of the right wing is anarchy....

It is the far left that is fascist (not liberals) but LEFTIST...

Leftist DEMAND you agree with them...

SOCIALISM is communism...The lie of SOCIALISM is the WORKERS will control the means of production...only it requires government FORCE so it is not the workers that control the means of production it is the government and that is communism...

Liberals were always CAPITALIST not SOCIALIST...Liberals used to be the center of the spectrum...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Thursday 21st of March 2019 08:48:16 PM

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you seem agitated again.

Image result for political spectrum

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!?

Stand still laddie!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!?
Stand still laddie!

LOL !!!

Has that wall on the Mexico border they're building got you playing some good-'ol Pink Floyd ?...

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
you seem agitated again.

Why do you seem to think that...

I really do not give a fuck how ignorant you wish to be....

even your diagram makes the point...you seem to think the spectrum is a full circle....

it is not...conservative by definition is small government...the extreme of small government is NO GOVERNMENT...

LEFTIST............................................LIBERAL.............................................................CONSERVATIVE

LEFTIST wants the government to control everything

CONSERVATIVE wants the government to be minimal...

Your north south authoritarian to democratic is just made up nonsense trying to sooth your bullshit agenda...

Curious...your so called graphic does not even mention Anarchy? where does that fall in "your" spectrum?

Here is your CLUE...

AUTHORITARIAN is to the LEFT of LEFTIST....

ANARCHY is to the RIGHT of CONSERVATIVE

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 22nd of March 2019 05:20:09 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

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-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 22nd of March 2019 06:09:09 AM

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I found one with anarchy^^^ Which seems to have more to do with the amount of government power than whether it is left or right.

Here are some more I found, feel free to post any others you find.

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-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 22nd of March 2019 06:22:05 AM

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I found one with anarchy^^^ Which seems to have more to do with the amount of government power than whether it is left or right.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 22nd of March 2019 06:22:05 AM

That sentence says it all...

government POWER is to the LEFT....

ANARCHY (NO GOVERNMENT is the OPPOSITE END of the SPECTRUM) AKA the right

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I think perhaps the disconnect is due to you seeing mostly just economic implications ie: The farther right one goes, the more things are deregulated, in which case the far right extreme would actually be economic anarchy. When I think of a political spectrum I see more than just the economic issues, and I think Rex and Shawnee probably do too as they are driven more by cultural types of issues than economic ones I think. It's an interesting discussion though for sure.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

a spectrum goes from one extreme to the opposite of that extreme....

whether you wish to paint it as political or economical really does no matter...

ON ONE END is COMPLETE GOVERNMENT CONTROL...

on the other end is ANARCHY...no government at all...

I agree the correct answer is much closer to the center....

without any government there is no way to PROTECT the individuals rights....

but that does not LEAD to dictatorial FASCISM

FASCISM would require complete government control...just a government that does not care about individuals and is completely self serving...but the far right is anarchy...not fascism...

FASCISM and COMMUNISM generally require a dictator...I guess people could in a true democracy (majority rule) vote for FASCISM or COMMUNISM...

but SOCIALISM is a MYTH...

You can not place the means of production into the hands of labor....

AS WE ALL KNOW all labor is not equal...which is why that fails...

You can get enough people to vote for it...but it then becomes communism because the government has to force it on those who were against it...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 22nd of March 2019 05:32:28 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

A situation of complete government control can exist on the far left and on the far right too, just ask Stalin and Hitler respectively. One was an authoritarian left winger, the other an authoritarian right winger. The spectrum of anarchy to authoritarianism is different from the spectrum of liberal to conservative, though the worst examples of each have historically been of the authoritarian persuasion. I wonder if perhaps your fear of leftists is based on a presumption that they would be authoritarian leftists, which could be the case, but wouldn't necessarily have to be.

chart with Stalin, Gandhi, Friedman, Thathcher, Hitler

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

A while ago, Shawnee had some of us do a personality test and post our results on this thread https://autotrend.activeboard.com/t65092549/something-fun-and-telling/

It would be interesting to see your results Nuffan if you get a minute. My guess is you would be lower right quadrant.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Political compass.com

Probably time to do it again I spose ?

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

oops its a dot org not com

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

This has turned into a glory hole thread.. So many charts, and classifications that I almost feel like I'm at an insurance seminar!

LOL

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
A situation of complete government control can exist on the far left and on the far right too, just ask Stalin and Hitler respectively. One was an authoritarian left winger, the other an authoritarian right winger. The spectrum of anarchy to authoritarianism is different from the spectrum of liberal to conservative, though the worst examples of each have historically been of the authoritarian persuasion. I wonder if perhaps your fear of leftists is based on a presumption that they would be authoritarian leftists, which could be the case, but wouldn't necessarily have to be.

I do not FEAR leftist...

and note there is a HUGE difference between a liberal and a leftist...

A true liberal is very centered....

a true liberal will defend to the death your right to have your own opinion...

a leftist INSIST you agree with them...

I disagree with most liberals on fiscal policies...

other than that I have no real problem with a liberal...

a leftist can go fuck themselves....lol

While I will still disagree that the far right can be full government control...

This charts is the only one yet you have posted that remotely makes any sense...

libertarian is on the edge of anarchy....communism is authoritarian...

As I stated earlier...a conservative wants a very limited government just enough to protect the rights of the individual...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Friday 22nd of March 2019 07:48:45 PM