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SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Roe V Wade

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

People can and do what they want or justify in their own cesspools of a mind. I'm not the judge. They WILL be judged though. They can tell St Peter "ah well, like ahhh, you know, like, ahhhh, I couldn't fit in my prom dress so I had an abortion".

Stan_147 · Veteran User

A court decision does not a law make. But, codifying the decision into a federal law with current set of miscreants occupying Capital Hill is also not the best of ideas IMO. The pork barrel parasites will add so much manure to be passed in unison, that the original intent will be overshadowed by their partisan zeal to please power elites in their prospective districts. Unless the add Term Limit legislation alas, thats wishful thinking on my part.

Look at how theyre reacting to a leaked draft!! Their Alinsky is making their collective mascara run!

Seriously. WTF has happened to this country?

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Liberalism.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I been seeing on the news that they are camping out in front of the homes of all the Justices that support overturning RVW...

I can just imagine the looks on their faces after reading the leaked SCOTUS document

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

When is this shoe set to drop?

Stan_147 · Veteran User

My prediction: 3-4 weeks.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Not bad Stan, you pretty much nailed the timeframe!

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Wad I miss. It over?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yes Sir...

SCOTUS overturned Roe V Wade!

I can only imagine how RVW must be the talking point in every courthouse all over the country today and for the next few weeks!

No more aborting future tax payers... The Government has deemed it's bad for business... they don't pay out all that money for nothing over the course of a childs life, they need them warm bodies filling seats!

So now all the guys have to be exta careful when frolicking with them young fertile women! You cum in her, you're stuck with her for 18 years! No more easy way out in many states!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Anyone notice how they waited to release news on Roe V Wade to the same exact day they passed these unconstitutional Red Flag gun control laws?

It's not a coincidence. Left or Right, black or white... they are all working in unison to have both things roll out the same day like this.

We will see how it all pans out... but SCOTUS should probably hear arguments against these new over-reaching gun control laws.

-- Edited by SELLC on Friday 24th of June 2022 01:48:42 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

May be an image of text that says 'The treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is abortion. The treatment for a septic uterus is abortion. The treatment for a miscarriage that your body won't release is abortion. If you can't get those abortions, you die. You. Die.'

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

So me and my buddy were hiking in the woods when a rattle snake shot up and bit him in the privates! As he lay there in pain he asked me to call a doctor, so I did! When I got off the phone with the Doctor my friend said, "well what did he say!?"

To which I replied, "he said youre gonna die."

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Many women in the south are going to die from this. I'm not finding any humor in it.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I'm sorry PowerStroker, that was out of line... it was a joke that popped into my brain after reading your meme.

Anyway, it is serious... and I seriously doubt that in ANY of them cases they wouldn't do the proper duty to fulfill their oath, which is to treat and care for a patient. In any of the cases you mention, there is no life... it's more or less a DNC, not an abortion because there is no life.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Do you honestly believe the idiots who passed these laws allowed for such exceptions. Life and health of the mother are not big concerns in the red states. Already today, women have been turned away from getting reproductive healthcare in states that had trigger laws in place.

It's already happening Rex.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You got me on the lingo there... Trigger laws? Not familar with that.

If a woman is turned away she needs to find another Doctor! Finding a good Doctor now days is not easy, it doesn't matter if you're in a Red or a Blue state!

I'm under the impression it doesn't matter what sex the person is, people should not be turned away if it's a medical emergency! If Doctors are abandoning their oath, they should be held to account! And eventurally they will be.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Not all people are the same PowerStroker... some Doctors have religious and personal beliefs that prevents them from doing things like abortions... if that be the case, perhaps they should find a new field of work?

In the case of delivery doctors, I'm pretty sure they don't want to be doing abortions! They want to focus on a sucessful birth rate, not a kill rate.

It really cuts both ways.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Several states have passed "trigger laws" which mean that abortion in their state would become illegal the moment the Supreme Court "triggers" that effect by overturning Roe. Abortion is now illegal in those states.

The percentage of doctors who perform abortions as part of their practice is small. Obviously anyone with a religious objection would not become that kind of doctor, and at no point has a doctor ever been forced to perform one, that's a straw man argument.

And now, doctors ARE turning away people in those states where abortion is illegal, even if it means the death of the woman. At present, it is illegal for them to uphold their oath in some places, and they can be put in prison if they do. In some cases, all they can do is refer the patient to an out of state provider. Women are beginning to die unnecessarily today.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

And now, doctors ARE turning away people in those states where abortion is illegal, even if it means the death of the woman. At present, it is illegal for them to uphold their oath in some places, and they can be put in prison if they do. In some cases, all they can do is refer the patient to an out of state provider. Women are beginning to die unnecessarily today.

That's a hard spot to be in... for everyone involved!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You know PowerStroker, this will only be a feather in Trumps hat to most ultra-conservatives who do-not even condone contraception!

Keep in mind, I support contraception and even some very early term abortions by way of pill, and DNC if done VERY early... That is more than many in my party will tolerate!

I even support abortion up to term based on certian factors such as risk of death to the mother, or some other kind of SERIOUS deformation that would see a child suffer and just die anyway.

When it comes to these women in Red states that feel they have no options, and are at risk of death; I think the Great Owl said it best!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

It would seem you personally would be ok with far more freedom than the people you vote for, why is that?

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

I am sure if people need an abortion because of health reasons one will be provided and be legal for the Dr doing it. Because she can't fit her prom dress is not a reason anymore.

I don't really care what people do, abortions, lgbtq, whatever but I DID NOT like my taxes paying for it. Planned parent hood was a money hole and a money wash. The fed gov would grant PP say $1bil. Then the PP would take $500mil and donate it to the DNC. Nice way to fill DNC coffers since they are so unpopular they can't get private persons to donate.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Really, the last thing I want to worry about when I walk into the Doctors office is their political beliefs standing in the way of my medical care, or even my wishes on how I want to live my life. I don't doubt that these new laws will make many Doctors think twice before going down the road of abortion, even if it's clear child birth would be a risk to the mother... I agree with you Shawnee, abortion should not be used as a contraceptive, and getting an abortion so you can fit in a prom dress is not exactly a valid reason, then or now! Apparently whatever person went viral for that needed to grow up!

I will say this about PP (Planned Parenthood) - they do offer free services to women in need! Because PP often caters to the poor and vulnerable there's really not much in the ways of donations! Or at least in terms of sizable ones anyway. Most rich people have their own Doctors and entire Hospital wings named after them! The one thing I don't like about PP is how they treat the men who accompany the women into these clincs... clearly they want to protect the womans privacy, but if I am bringing in a woman that I'm raw dogging then I damn well have a right to know the details! I think this may be why a lot of men do not donate to PP... When I was in my teens I was having lots of unprotected sex with a girl who did not have insurance, and even though PP treated me bad I was just very thankful they were there for her. (No abortion in our case, just exams and contraception)

I understand what you are saying about PP grants filtering their way into DNC coffers... the same holds true for Unions as well... HOWEVER, the same kinds of things with grants happen all the time with big defense contractors and people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezo's who have gotten LOTS of FREE Government money! And when I say FREE, I mean FREE! I have to pay back all my Government money with interest...

So whats good for the goose is good for the gander I suppose.

I guess what is important is that we keep them vagina's in good health and spend big on defense... or the Russian's will be over here next raping them all.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Yeah they all crooked and filling coffers. Before Roe I never heard of anyone needing an abortion for serious reasons that wasn't properly provided.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Most of the state laws don't have an exception for the life or health of the mother. This means, it's at the discretion of whatever right wing district attorney happens to be in the area as to whether the doctor gets prosecuted and goes to prison for saving a womans life. Not exactly comforting if you are a MD with an ectopic pregnancy case that just walked in your door.

You didn't hear about it before Roe, because until Roe, there was no Federal standard. The places where it was banned just ended up with so many dead women that it didn't make the news. Just like how Covid deaths don't make the news anymore.

I'm not sure about campaign coffers being filled by Planned Parenthood, they would have very specific rules about how much they could donate, and would probably put any extra money they have toward patient care. They probably do lobbying though, just like any other special interest. There is a Planned Parenthood PAC which accepts donations specifically for supporting candidates that believe in reproductive freedom (including some Republicans), and the PAC donated less than 1 million to candidates in the 2019-2020 year. People who donate to the PAC know it's for that purpose. It wouldn't surprise me if the news sources you frequent were putting out false info with regard to Planned Parenthood. They probably still have an entire tab dedicated to Benghazi.

I thought you guys were supposed the party of Freedom and making America "Great"?

A lot of innocent women are going to die over doctors fearing prosecution.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 27th of June 2022 02:16:07 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
A lot of innocent women are going to die over doctors fearing prosecution.

I would think that cuts both ways PowerStroker... if malpractice can be proven, on account of fear; I can assure you it's just going to take one Doctor getting sued and losing in court before the insurance companies will nip this in the bud themselves!

I just hope nobody has to die in that process... but such is life... We're all dying PowerStroker! A little-tiny-bit every day!

Truth is, having to go out of state is an inconvenience... and in some cases IMPOSSIBLE for a woman without leaving everything behind depending on the relationship.

It's a complex and muddy issue for sure, but at least there are options! One of which is only to sleep with people you'd be willing to have kids with, especially in a Red state!

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Most of the state laws don't have an exception for the life or health of the mother. This means, it's at the discretion of whatever right wing district attorney happens to be in the area as to whether the doctor gets prosecuted and goes to prison for saving a womans life. Not exactly comforting if you are a MD with an ectopic pregnancy case that just walked in your door.

You didn't hear about it before Roe, because until Roe, there was no Federal standard. The places where it was banned just ended up with so many dead women that it didn't make the news. Just like how Covid deaths don't make the news anymore.

I'm not sure about campaign coffers being filled by Planned Parenthood, they would have very specific rules about how much they could donate, and would probably put any extra money they have toward patient care. They probably do lobbying though, just like any other special interest. There is a Planned Parenthood PAC which accepts donations specifically for supporting candidates that believe in reproductive freedom (including some Republicans), and the PAC donated less than 1 million to candidates in the 2019-2020 year. People who donate to the PAC know it's for that purpose. It wouldn't surprise me if the news sources you frequent were putting out false info with regard to Planned Parenthood. They probably still have an entire tab dedicated to Benghazi.
I thought you guys were supposed the party of Freedom and making America "Great"?
A lot of innocent women are going to die over doctors fearing prosecution.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 27th of June 2022 02:16:07 PM

If states wish, they can probably get help in structuring state clinics. Maybe they can be similar to PP? I dunno. If someone needs one they need one. Can't be refused if mom's life is on the line.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Shawnee_B wrote:
I am sure if people need an abortion because of health reasons one will be provided and be legal for the Dr doing it. Because she can't fit her prom dress is not a reason anymore.

You're sure are you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-hospitals-are-refusing-to-see-people-with-serious-pregnancy-issues-for-fear-of-violating-post-roe-abortion-ban-medical-group-says/ar-AAZDKWr?cvid=67b2f49405e7475587806b1d97866f1f

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I'm inclined to agree with you PowerStroker, after hearing about the prosecutor who is trying to prosecute an out of state Doctor for giving a 10 year old rape victim an abortion. Seems that's going a little too far!

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/14/indiana-abortion-rape-ohio-00045899

To make things worse, the perp was an illegal alien that shouldn't have even been here! evileye

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

And it gets worse, it seems not only are conservatives ok with women dying, they are enshrining the death of women as a party platform issue.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/idaho-gop-overwhelmingly-rejects-adding-abortion-exceptions-to-save-the-life-of-the-mother-to-platform/ar-AAZFaKC?cvid=376b90cce28d429eaace398573f8f501

Hasslefree, any thoughts as our resident woman here? Ever had an ectopic pregnancy or know someone who did? You really going to keep supporting these people?

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Shawnee_B wrote:
I am sure if people need an abortion because of health reasons one will be provided and be legal for the Dr doing it. Because she can't fit her prom dress is not a reason anymore.

You're sure are you?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-hospitals-are-refusing-to-see-people-with-serious-pregnancy-issues-for-fear-of-violating-post-roe-abortion-ban-medical-group-says/ar-AAZDKWr?cvid=67b2f49405e7475587806b1d97866f1f

Yes I'm sure. Come down to the reality if it's life and death for the Mom, it WILL be done and will be legal.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

clearly you haven't clicked on the links I provided.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Clearly you are scared and focusing on one thing, applying it to everywhere. You're looking in the big end of the funnel and seeing the small picture. Turn the funnel around. Women who needed abortions before Roe got them provided, yes some didn't and were they in need for life saving issues? I bet if they were they would get one.

You're Texas link is Texas, not all of America. Docs are scared? Yes, it's not the first or only time, circumstances. We have KASPER law here in KY. If the "authorities" feel a Dr is prescribing way too many pain pills (controlled like hydrocodone) for pain they can be busted. Hence, Dr's are scared and won't give them out for fear of the "law" Resulting in "pain clinics" To get pain relief, you must have serious pain, get referred by the Dr that won't give you a pill. Then once in the pain Dr may say "2 750 hydrocodone a day and give you 60 days worth. At any time you can and will be called in for a pee test and pill count. Better count right and pee must show 2 hydros in you. If there is anything else at all in your pee, you're fired. What if you need only 2-3 pills a week? It sucks if you are in chronic pain. I had to go to the ER. 4 broken ribs. Gave me tylenol.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

The small picture of which you speak is that even some conservative women who are trying to have a baby are going to unnecessarily die if they have a complication, depending on what state they happen to be in. You're right about one thing though, in some cases it will result simply from the doctor's fear of prosecution, but she'll be just as dead.

There is no more federal blanket protection for Doctors on this issue anymore. Now doctors are at the mercy of whatever right wing district attorney is trying to win reelection. And prosecuting a doctor for saving a womans life is all they need to earn the racist and misogynistic alt-right and Qanon votes to put them over the top. The Idaho GOP just voted overwhelmingly to add exactly such policies to their party platform. Once they actually implement that policy into law there, a woman could have a zygote stuck in her fallopian tube, and in Idaho it will be illegal to remove it and save her life, because conservatism. Nevermind that she may have actually wanted to carry that one to term, or may have several other children at home to take care of.

If I were a doctor in one of those states, I'd be scared enough of idiotic prosecution to let that mother die too. I'd recommend she travel to a more enlightened state to receive the care she needs. But if she is in too bad a shape to travel, I'd put her on a morphine drip to numb the pain and let it just rupture, which is exactly the desired outcome of these laws.

Every zygote needs a chance I guess. They are "innocent" after all. And by innocent I mean not having yet committed the original sin of having come out of a woman. Which is the exact moment the "pro life" community apparently stops caring about a person, otherwise they would be simultaneously expanding the social safety net whenever they do this stuff.

The silence from the women on this site is deafening, and will lead to many, many innocent women also becoming equally silent as they are planted 6 feet under.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 20th of July 2022 06:52:37 AM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Ummm... we only have ONE woman on this site... LOL

Hasslefree is a free spirit, and it takes her awhile to catch up on here... I wouldn't fault her for it.

I get where you are coming from PowerStroker, and in many ways I can't help but see the irony between this and the forced mask and jab mandade handed down not long ago...

Shawnee is old school, I doubt you'll flip him very easy... He's never driven 20 hours in his Corvette to be treated like shit at a Trump hotel like we have... so it might take some time.

Don't let it discourage you PowerStroker...

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I shouldn't say she's the "only" woman on this site... just the only one who still posts and stops in to see us from time to time...

We can't forget about Clarity! The ledgend who cracked 10k post in less than a year! That's no small feat!

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
The small picture of which you speak is that even some conservative women who are trying to have a baby are going to unnecessarily die if they have a complication, depending on what state they happen to be in. You're right about one thing though, in some cases it will result simply from the doctor's fear of prosecution, but she'll be just as dead.
There is no more federal blanket protection for Doctors on this issue anymore. Now doctors are at the mercy of whatever right wing district attorney is trying to win reelection. And prosecuting a doctor for saving a womans life is all they need to earn the racist and misogynistic alt-right and Qanon votes to put them over the top. The Idaho GOP just voted overwhelmingly to add exactly such policies to their party platform. Once they actually implement that policy into law there, a woman could have a zygote stuck in her fallopian tube, and in Idaho it will be illegal to remove it and save her life, because conservatism. Nevermind that she may have actually wanted to carry that one to term, or may have several other children at home to take care of.
If I were a doctor in one of those states, I'd be scared enough of idiotic prosecution to let that mother die too. I'd recommend she travel to a more enlightened state to receive the care she needs. But if she is in too bad a shape to travel, I'd put her on a morphine drip to numb the pain and let it just rupture, which is exactly the desired outcome of these laws.
Every zygote needs a chance I guess. They are "innocent" after all. And by innocent I mean not having yet committed the original sin of having come out of a woman. Which is the exact moment the "pro life" community apparently stops caring about a person, otherwise they would be simultaneously expanding the social safety net whenever they do this stuff.
The silence from the women on this site is deafening, and will lead to many, many innocent women also becoming equally silent as they are planted 6 feet under.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 20th of July 2022 06:52:37 AM

You're worrying too much. It's going to be OK and some sort of system in place for those in medical need. I don't believe anyone at all would deny an abortion if it was life threatening. It will be interesting to keep watch and see what develops over time, I have faith these women will be helped..

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Oh, it will be ok for you, sure. Not much chance of you getting a zygote stuck and rupturing a fallopian tube you don't even have. You probably had faith that your party would be in favor of contraception too, look how that vote turned out. There is a reason these states intentionally refuse to add an exception in to their laws for life of the mother. Perhaps it's because your faith in the people you have spent a lifetime voting for is misplaced. They have gotten far more ideological than they were in the Eisenhower days. Are you sure they are still a good fit for you? You seem to be in favor of far more common sense than the representitaves you instinctively elect.

I guess as long as they don't restrict guns, it's fine?

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Oh, it will be ok for you, sure. Not much chance of you getting a zygote stuck and rupturing a fallopian tube you don't even have. You probably had faith that your party would be in favor of contraception too, look how that vote turned out. There is a reason these states intentionally refuse to add an exception in to their laws for life of the mother. Perhaps it's because your faith in the people you have spent a lifetime voting for is misplaced. They have gotten far more ideological than they were in the Eisenhower days. Are you sure they are still a good fit for you? You seem to be in favor of far more common sense than the representitaves you instinctively elect.

I guess as long as they don't restrict guns, it's fine?

I thought men could get pregnant acc'd to libs, you know the ones can't define a woman and have more genders than obamas 57 states? Fallaopian tubes would be a good start for them in an identification. Like I said you worry too much. Have a beer. These women will be taken care of.

I don't agree with that restricting contraceptives at all and can't really understand the fuss on reps side, I saw the other thread.

Reps ok by me? NO!!! Dems? Hell Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both suck. Libs went too far left, you're correct on more ideological with the reps. I'd fit better independent I suppose but the two party system will never let anything become of them.