This needs to be thrown out before it even goes to trial!

And a GAG-ORDER on a Criminal Federal case against an Ex-President? WOW! That alone is unacceptable in anything but a MILITARY COURT! This is a matter of PUBLIC importance that every singe detail is well documented and televised! It's almost prejudicial to Trump and the entire United States Government if every second of this is not made available for public scrutiny! If the Judge can't handle that then he should step aside.

This shit is fucked up! If they can do this to Trump, then they can do it to us all! They are trying to put President Trump in jail for 136 years over a payment the prosecution's star witness's, Cohen (Trump's Ex Attorney) paid to Stormy Danials, who was paid "hush money" and broke the contract and owes civil fines over it! 

THIS IS FUCKING CRAZY WORLD... The Stormy thing happend back in like 2006! We have blazing red statutes of limitations issues here, and we are all being set up for being held criminaly responsible for crooked representation (aka attorneys) !!

I'd say a gag-order should be a non-starter in this case! This is TOO IMPORTANT! New York is NOT a Military Court! PERIOD! 

I get that Rastus...

But I'm still worked up because this brings back memories of when I had to go thru this stuff... irregardless if you were innocent, a prosecutor does not care... 

This could be that "humbling" moment for Trump... think Ghandi and how powerful he was in Africa after serving some time!

Trump isn't running from this, he's taking it head on! 

I wish him all the luck, as being caught up in the system is nothing like a civil lawsuit... that is why I don't feel any kind of gag order for these proceedings should be allowed... We don't need this distraction right now, or do we?

Sort of like how Garland has squashed all investigations into Biden and Co? I'm not saying politics isn't a messy job, but there has never been a current or Ex President who has been run thru the system like this before! It's setting a dangerous precedent that you don't want to acknowledge at this time because it's not "your guy"... It would seem Christmas has come early for Democrats this year!

Good call on the gag-order, I know they were talking about it in the media but you're right... as of now there is no gag-order in place, however they are not allowing TV into the court room... so there might as well be a gag order in place if we just get stuck looking at rough drawings of people... Just feels like they are out to get Trump on some Trumped up and statutorily expired charges... 

I get that such a trial against an Ex President does send the signal that nobody is above the law in the United States, however I have yet to see any Democrat Presidents run thru the mud like this... but again, that could be the case as soon as 2024! They been trying to take Trump down every since he ran for office, that Democrats can't see that means they may be in for a shock come 2024 if they push this thing too far.

You see PowerStroker, there has been so many that you need to know which one I'm talking about!

But let's just start with the ones we have heard about, Laptop, Ukraine, China... 

Don't you think if Republicans get in there they are going to return the favor for giving the GOP a black eye? Honestly this looks bad for ALL Americans, but more so for the GOP and people who voted for Trump! For gawds sakes man, at one time he carried the nuclear football for four years! The United States has killed people upon his approval! This is just fook'n crazy! 

I realize you're happy that a Republican is getting tarred and feathered at the moment, but remember! These charges have to stick! If not, I got a feeling this is going to get ugly come 2024 for the Democrats... Let's not forger that same AG approved a raid warrant for Trump's personal residence, only to find out later Biden had boxes of classified documents in a box next to his Corvette in the garage! I mean you can't even make this stuff up! It's like watching some kind of reality TV, except reality TV isn't really real -- it's scripted! 

So maybe Rastus is right that this is just show-biz... but if Trump was dirty before he got into office, maybe they should have done something about it then? Oh wait, they did! That sham Steele dossier, followed by several failed impeachment attempts.

At this point you just can't help but to agree with Trump, they are out to get him! This would be something if they got him on something to do with COVID (as I mentioned earlier) but the problem there is that too many hands were involved in that scam! There is no way anyone is going down for that! Instead the NY prosecutor is trying to hem Trump up on some personal indiscretion from 2006 that Trumps Ex-Attorney paid out hush money to? We knew Trump liked pussy, we also knew this well before he got in office.

I think the Democrat lust to try an pin something on Trump is showing at this point, even with the very long history of attempts made even prior to him running and becoming President.

If this don't work out I hope Trump sues the hell out of Bragg and New York! I mean the crooked politicians and courts there drove him out of New York! That has always been Trumps "Home State"... But they run him off and now they are trying to jail him!

It's not sitting right with me PowerStroker... The trial should be televised 100%, and I think anything short of an OJ or any other celebrity trial is just punitive damage to the Defendants case! For gawds sakes he's taking on the entire state of New York!

Was the justice department ever actually investigating the 3 things you mentioned and then Garland stopped it, or were they never investigating them. Because in the case of Trump, the justice department was actually investigating him for campaign finance violations until Bill Barr stopped it. It's at that point the Manhattan DA took over.

I'm not happy about this because I don't see prosecutions through a political lens. The criminal justice system needs to be absolutely free from politics, so please refrain from finding excuses to "return the favor" because at some point I'm sure another Democrat will do some corrupt shit all on their own.

As I think about it, the instinct you have to defend Trump against absolutely everything without question indicates the potential jury pool is already tainted, and a gag order may be helpful in keeping it from getting worse.

PowerStroker wrote:

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Was the justice department ever actually investigating the 3 things you mentioned and then Garland stopped it, or were they never investigating them. Because in the case of Trump, the justice department was actually investigating him for campaign finance violations until Bill Barr stopped it. It's at that point the Manhattan DA took over.

I'm not happy about this because I don't see prosecutions through a political lens. The criminal justice system needs to be absolutely free from politics, so please refrain from finding excuses to "return the favor" because at some point I'm sure another Democrat will do some corrupt shit all on their own.

As I think about it, the instinct you have to defend Trump against absolutely everything without question indicates the potential jury pool is already tainted, and a gag order may be helpful in keeping it from getting worse.

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Obviously, as you have stated above -- the AG runs the bingo at the Justice Department... what they investigate is beyond my pay grade.

To suggest that the justice system is absolutly free from politics is a laughable joke! ha-ha, You and I both know that is not true! I'm not saying "return the favor" as in vengeance, but just out of a matter of practicality and thoroughness that has now been established as the new status quo. We already know some Democrats have done some corrupt shit on their own, it's just that Republicans have never been blood thirsty enough to burn down the institution to get a guy as these new uppity "woke" Democrats are today... and that is what we're talking about here! Everything about this case is going to make a mockery of the courts! We got a porn star, a corrupt attorney and TRUMP! For gawds sake! THIS IS A MOVIE! TELEVISE IT!

I have to strongly disagree about any kind of "gag-order" under your hypothesis... Every single jurror would have to be a lifetime independent and will have had to vote and feel that way their entire life to be a fair trial! You know how people are about their politics! It's worse than rival sports teams! And this is as true for a Democrat as it is for a Republican! And the bottom line here is, where the hell you going to find an unbiassed Jury that is not going to know their former POTUS is the Defendant in a case they are about to hear? Are you suggesting that a gag-order issued is somehow going to make everyone on the Jury forget who their 45th President was? Take you time answering PowerStroker, I'll wait! 

PUT THE TRIAL ON TV! NO GAG ORDER!

Stellar007 wrote:

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Shawnee_B wrote:

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All part of the movie, it's scripted.

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Well, PowerStroker and I are breaking out the pop-corn for this movie!

Aye yo, PowerStroker, could you put extra butter on mine please? I don't want to choke when Bragg fumbles the preliminaty hearings and this case gets "tossed" 

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 Oh yes, have lots popcorn. 3 ea 8 hr movies. Has it all according to the law. Trump knows and follows laws. After the ebs, 3-5 hrs to get home we are there till it's over. Once ebs is out starlink will provide the movies cause internet and comms down. Only 911 will work on a phone. After? gonna be a new world, money will be no issue, 1000 year world peace treaty etc.

Bragg? Took $1mil from Soros for his campaign, his allegiance is NOT to the republic. He couldn't come up with ONE single crime when asked. On the weekend 2 US Marshal SUV's took Bragg for a ride, with lights. Want the vid? 

Yo,

Lot's of things are settled out-of-court financially.

It makes no-sense what-so-ever to have Mr.Trumpdt in court, for business settled out-of-court already.

*Entertainment for the "media & the masses" purposes only is the only possibility.

Better to have some camera's at the next Bo-Grove annual Sausage Festival Stellar !!! Courts & their hearings are not media spectacles that need to be shared with the public. Only the results need be presented imo.- Otherwise you have given all power & authority plus biases over to the media, that is corrupted to the core.

Look at how confused & disillusioned the folks State-side have been for decades now because of bollox media narration !

The days of "anything to make a buck " media presentations are hopefully gone too. ( Along with people like H.K. )...

PowerStroker wrote:

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Soros claims he has never met Bragg, nor given him any money.

Not everything is a Jewish conspiracy.

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Ahem... might you have a few supporting links?

You make it seem like he told you this stuff over dinner or something. 

Everyone take a look at that supporting link! That is how you link a post...

I'm telling you this cloak and dagger shit is real, yo! If it ain't Soros it's the Rothschild's... 

I especially liked how they are now suggesting that someone who uses the term "Soros-backed" is somehow using and anti-semetic dog whistle... They really lather it on THICK!

After reading your supporting link I have come to the conclusion that's exactly what a Soros-Backed Journalist and DA would say! 

But your objection to this theory has been carefully read and considered... but I will remain objective since I don't want to be bullied and gas-lit for flat out calling BULLSHIT.

glad I could help lol.

I would hope this case could be adjudicated before then.

Just got a jury summons myself, I begin service in May.

PowerStroker wrote:

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I would hope this case could be adjudicated before then.

Just got a jury summons myself, I begin service in May.

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That is what the news is saying, that the case will run into the campaign season by the time they get everything rolling, the Jury is just involved during the trial... but even that could be a long process in this paticular case!

Where did you get a summons? Local, State or Federal? Usually your local district court cases are one day... a State case could be a few days, and Federal cases all bets are off and you could be there for a week or more!

I'd imagine you would enjoy being a juror, the question is could you put your partisanship aside if it was a political case like Trumps? I know in here it's VERY hard for you to do, but what about IRL?

 

Mine is a county summons, and if selected I will reach a finding without any political bias involved.

I'm serious, I believe in a criminal justice system that is blind to politics, and this shouldn't surprise anyone. It's why I call you out whenever you instinctively circle the wagons around someone who agrees with your politics regardless of how shady they have been. Whereas for example, when I was supportive of John Edwards in the runup to the 08 election, only to find out he was a shady prick, I abandoned him without a second thought. I don't care if he is a Democrat, I expect better.

Yo,

These will work great in this thread...


www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/12/a-matter-of-personal-hospitality-buying-the-us-supreme-court/

www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/12/ten-men-1-trillion-and-the-personalization-of-american-capitalism/


PowerStroker once said "Money is speech, & once the Corporations become accountable for their actions & prosecuted as an individual person, & not a company, then we'll have Justice"...( Or very similar ).


It would appear that Mr.Trumpdt is behind the scenes "taking a walk-in-the-park" & assessing his re-election possibilities

Don't forget Nelson Mandella!

He did some time in the joint before coming out and ruling Africa.

I'm not even going to entertain this nonsense...

I remember seeing these with Obama and the Clintons... along with various other politicians, however it's all just theater... I will say that with President Trump on actual "trial" it's looking more and more like the whole shithouse will implode if they let this stand... every President is going to be brought up on some technicality going forward I would imagine... Deep Red states like Texas, Florida and many others will start finding ways to prosecute past and present Presidents -- even using statutorily expired charges just to see if they stick to the wall!

I don't even know what to think about it... as someone who voted for and supported Trump in the past it does not sit well the stigma they are trying to cast on the entire party! Democrats wont know the feeling until it's one of theirs who are charged and hauled into State Court. Some might say it's good, but I don't see how it's good to bring down a past leader of the free world over partisan BS regardless the party! The knives really are coming out! Makes me wonder if voting is even safe anymore! LOL, I thought we all kinda knew Trump was a poon hound when that "Pussy Grab" audio dropped?

Stellar said....

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qt."I will say that with President Trumpdt on actual "trial", it's looking more and more like the whole shithouse will implode if they let this stand...
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Yes, some things are hard to flush !!!

 

Yo,

And so the saga & bullshyte continues...


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/6/6/2173636/-Donald-Trump-tries-to-get-new-10M-defamation-lawsuit-tossed

 

Stellar007 wrote:

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1.I think Trumps problem is that he probably fucked all these women, probably more than once! Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy who is going to go out of his way to ensure a woman cums, so then he tries to deny even having sex with these women!

2.Trump talks a good game, so regardless if he did or he didn't fuck them... his reputation takes a hit either way! He would have always been better off admiting that he fucked them, even if he couldn't last very long or didn't eat pussy.

3.I just don't know Rastus! I was a big Trump fan for the longest time... but looking back, I liked what the man was saying -- I just didn't like what he would do instead... took a few years for me to figure out, but I started having my doubts when we were poorly treated at his Las Vegas Casino... and even though I had a big red MAGA hat clipped to my bag -- his hotel staff HATED him, and thus we were treated poorly! That is not a man who is in control, to me that is a puppet!

4.But who knows Rastus! People change! There is a good chance he may be humbled and campaign in a way that can bring back some of his sour supporters and even win the hearts of liberals... such a transformation is possible in life! But I'm not yet seeing that... and clearly, neither are a lot of other people. 

5.Biden also has some weakness in his next re-election... his age, not only now but in the years to come! This wouldn't be a problem if he had a more accomplished VP... but then again, when do we ever see the real deal in a VP until they become President, right? Back when Biden was Obama's VP he was seen as the loose cannon... It wasn't until he was elected President that I felt his experence, and I have been impressed with the economy under Biden! Banks have been lending, even the Government has been stepping up to ensure big banks and business men like Trump can't put their fingers on the scales! And that is exactly what they were all doing letting me drown in interest rates of 30% (credit cards) under Trump! Because under Trump there was no chance of getting a personal loan, a home-refinance or any kind of line or business loan! Even if you had good collateral and a solid repayment history! That ALL changed under Biden, and it changed QUICK! Basically the 1st quarter of his Presidency! 

6.So I don't know... If it wasn't for the fact that Trump picked all the people who he now claims are idiots, then my feelings might be different! But all these people working against him were people HE PICKED! 

7.It bothers me that for Trump to become popular again, something really-really bad would have to happen to the country or the economy... probably BOTH! Every President has his issues that test them -- for Trump is was COVID! It doesn't look good that Biden cleand up Trumps COVID mess... I worry what would be Trump's next COVID if he got another 4 years... I still like Trump, I just don't think he ever really liked me, or the people like me who brought him to power. Stockholm syndrom is real yo!

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 R1-7. WTF ???

Become your own leader, make-up your own mind, & disown your corrupted & false government.

Where's Shawnee when you need him ?...

Rastus wrote:

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Become your own leader, make-up your own mind, & disown your corrupted & false government.

Where's Shawnee when you need him ?...

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I am my own leader, I have made up my own mind & I'm no traitor! I will not disown my country! WTF is wrong with you?

I hope Shawnee is doing alright, he's prolly just getting shit done around the house.