Obfuscation may be used for many purposes. Doctors have been accused of using jargon to conceal unpleasant facts from a patient; American author Michael Crichton claimed that medical writing is a "highly skilled, calculated attempt to confuse the reader".[1]B. F. Skinner, noted psychologist, commented on medical notation as a form of multiple audience control, which allows the doctor to communicate to the pharmacist things which might be opposed by the patient if they could understand it.[2] Similarly text-based language, like gyaru-moji and some forms of leet are obfuscated to make them incomprehensible to outsiders.
I did not ask for dictionary definitions or pictures. I asked for verifiable journalism from a credible news desk on my acceptable list, that Saddam was specifically behind the 911 attacks on the United States.
This is one of them times you have to look within yourself for the answer PowerStroker.
Saddam was smart enough to rule Iraq for a very long time, he was damn sure smart enough to cover his tracks. He had delt with the United States in the past and was well aware that our government changes faces every 4 years, with the max of 8 years for a popular President.
The answer you are looking for is in the form of a question.
Do you think he wanted the American way of life in his Dicatorship? Or do you think he would have faught to the death to prevent it?
My answer is NO and YES. You may feel diffrently.
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I didn't ask whether he wanted a Democracy or a perpetual dictatorship in his country, I asked for proof that he was behind the 911 attacks on the United States.
I feel that Bush and the rest of the nation made the right choice to enter Iraq and capture Saddam.
Want to tell us all how Obama's war in Afghanistan is working out? From all I read the government is paying out millions and even billions of dollars to these terrorist leaders over there for intel and safe passage.
Maybe you just need to study a map of the region surrounding Iraq and maybe you can figure out what roll Saddam had with regards to the terrorist that attacked us on 911.
Perhaps it was the jealous Democrats who had just lost the election to Bush? You guys have always been sore losers that dish it out, but can't take it.
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Americans in the "know" understand keeping some things private is nessisary in order to root out the evil. You have no idea what you are talking about so please contact the CIA for this "Proof" you are after. If it's not classified I am sure they will provide you with the information needed.
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No, first I got one of the switchboard operators, then they transfered me to an operative, who then transfered me to the Christine O'Donnell campaign headquarters. She actually answered the phone and started talking about how masturbation is a sin and how she has classified information about an immanent Chinese attack, but that she doesn't have anything on Iraq as that is not her area of expertise.
I already have been trying to prove a link between Saddam and 911, but I haven't been able to, which is why I started this thread as an open challenge for people to perhaps point out something I may have missed. As of yet, no luck.
Hey... Shouldn't we be talking about Obama's war in Afghanistan?
Or should we all side track ourselves with Iraq so the current missionless war can rage on? Then when the war in Afghanastan is over, and we are kicking the shit out of Iran, we can talk about non-issues with regards to Obama's war?
Laughable if you ask me.
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You know PowerStroker, I am honestly tired of trying again.
If you can't take what I have given you and put 2 and 2 together, then there is no question why the Democrats have things so fucked up.
In my opinion bassed on the intel I have given you, and the infomation that I have seen on the news many years ago; Saddam had a part in the 911 attacks. If you choose not to accept it that's fine.
For you to sit here and make a thread that suggest that Saddam had nothing to do with the terror groups involved (Both big and small) just makes you look ignorant.
You have been given proof, yet you want to act like it's not good enough. Well let me tell you something, the mission is completed, the job done. You can whine and spew your idiotic Democrat venom all you want, it wont bring back your good buddy Saddam.
Kind of makes you wonder how far the Democrats are going to go off the deep end when booted from power this time.
I have no use for this thread. You can champion Saddam all you want from here on out. I am done.
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I never said Saddam was never involved in any terrorism, or that he's just a cuddly teddy bear. I was asking for proof that he was linked specifically to the 911 attacks on the United States.
I never said Saddam was never involved in any terrorism
DING-DING-DING-DING-DING!
WE HAVE A WINNER!
Weren't terrorist involved in the 911 attack!?
Oh! Yes they sure were!
You just answered your own question PowerStroker, even if it did take me saying it 20 or so times prior to now! Ill let you take the credit this time, since you had such a hard time understanding yourself.
-- Edited by SELLC on Friday 15th of October 2010 07:23:46 AM
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There are a lot of terrorists in the world Rex, they don't all hang out at the same bars or have the same agendas. I don't think Tim McVeigh had anything to do with 911 either, and he was a terrorist. You just made MY point. Just because someone is Muslim AND an asshole, doesn't mean they had anything to do with the specific attacks on 911.
And on the same token, if someone is muslim and an asshole it's safe to say they are not going to have the best intrest of others in the backs of their minds. Saddams involvement in 911 is much like Al Capone. Everyone knew he was dirty, but he was so powerfull and dirty it was hard to pin anything on him.
I would also like to point out the fact that 911 is not the ONLY reason we invaded Iraq. What did they get Al Capone on again PowerStroker?
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They got Capone on tax evasion. He died of syphilus in prison I think.
You're Christian and an asshole, and I'm damn sure you don't have the best interests of others in the back of your mind, so I would submit to you that this phenomenon is not religion specific.
I am still waiting for that "Proof" Saddam did NOT have ties to terror organazations.
While everyone can be an asshole, regardless of religion, you seem to wanna group murderers with assholes. This happens to draw serious questions about how you view and label people. Then we have mass-murderers, are these people just assholes too?
Somehow I don't think you would do so well looking after the security of this nation. The fact that you are a flaming Democrat only goes to show you guys have no clue how to run a country. The Democrats have run this nation into the ground. Obama should have never been given the keys to the nation, he has run if off a cliff!
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Dont worry Rex, I dont view you as a mass murderer... You're just a regular run of the mill asshole.
I didn't say Saddam had no ties to any terror organizations. Hell, If I were Kurdish or female, I'd say Saddam himself was a terror organization. But I wasn't asking that, I was asking how exactly he was linked to 911.
As far as Democrats looking after the security of the nation, I would submit to you that Bush was an even bigger conspiracy theorist than you, and 911 happened on his watch anyway. Explain that one.
Dont worry Rex, I dont view you as a mass murderer... You're just a regular run of the mill asshole.
I didn't say Saddam had no ties to any terror organizations. Hell, If I were Kurdish or female, I'd say Saddam himself was a terror organization. But I wasn't asking that, I was asking how exactly he was linked to 911.
Eh... Could you please maybe list ONE terror organization that we are assosiated with, Besides Obama's puppet Regime getting billions of kick-back dollars in Afghanistan? Now out of ALL of the ones you could think of, how many don't hate America? I am thinking it will be the same answer on both accounts.... NONE. That's why the Democrats have to go, no more wasting money in Afghanistan on a corrupt government. Either we topple them and rebuild, or move the fuck on to Iran.
As far as Democrats looking after the security of the nation, I would submit to you that Bush was an even bigger conspiracy theorist than you, and 911 happened on his watch anyway. Explain that one.
Well that would be because of the previous 8 years Clinton spent watering down the military. Or maybe, perhaps it was one of the Democrats largest book "cookings" in American history. A way to hide what Slick did the past 8 years. Hell I don't know, maybe the Democrats are the terrorist!!? Saddam was running his mouth while hiding in a sand hole. Maybe you forgot all the things he said in the past. Should I dig them up?
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Don't know if he was exactly. I don't believe he was "directly" behind it. May have known ahead of time but not directly involved in planning, logistics, attack etc. What was he gonna do, he didn't have the capabilities to do anything.
Behind it? Well they blame Saudis, probably with good reason too. I blame Bush/Cheney and they will hang for it.
Said it before I'll say it again. Even in early 70's we had the most capable Fighter interceptors, F106. I know, I worked the weapons control systems in ADC/NORAD on 1 of 7 FIS bases. Both Griffiss (where I was) and Langley in VA were within minutes. The F106 needed 4.5 min for weapons sys to be 100% and 1.5 min to take off. That meant in 3 min weapons fully ready. NYC was 60 mi away from either base, at over Mach 1 that isn't far.
Here's how it works. NOOOOO,,,, ELT as some lib 31 page dissertation said has nothing to do with it. It's IFF, "interrogation friend or foe" Any instrument rated aircraft has it, unique ID to THAT aircraft. File a flight plan,,,, Deviate off your flight plan at all, ATC calls, asks why and tells you to correct. You don't, in minutes there is a fighter on your tail. Yes they are authorized to shoot down even an airliner no matter where.
Other lib dissertations said NORAD was busy with exercises. Well maybe but there are always 2 fighters and pilots in a "joker" pod on every base that is READY, not in any exercise.
9/11 was planned, and US was instrumental. Why? Control by fear.
Asscrotch had the Patriot Act written and printed in weeks. Then disappeared never to be heard of again. Kinda telling.
I feel that Bush and the rest of the nation made the right choice to enter Iraq and capture Saddam.
WTF ???
Why ?...Haven't you in fact removed one dictator by an American dictator ?...Who gave the American dictatorship the right to do this ?...
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