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SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

How do Democrats handle business? They all leave town for vacation!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

It's been what? 5-6 Days since these jackasses have been MIA?

At what point is it safe to say these people have quit their job? Is their now a union when it comes to politicians? Are these politicians on "strike" now?

More importantly, are these people getting PAID for their vacation? If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be pissed my state representatives were hiding out in another state! Why don't they just go back to work, and then go thru the process of repealing the things they don't like? I mean did the Republicans pull this kind of stunt on the Health Care bill/law? The answer here is NO!

Speaking of health care, what do these people have to worry about? Soon when Obama Care takes effect they won't have to worry about insurance right? Soon their health care cost should be dropping because of this new law which will offset any additional they have to pay for insurance right? If anything it doesn't make me feel to confident that Health care will be all that it's cracked up to be.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

The 14 Wisconsin state senators ARE doing their jobs. Their job is to represent their constituents. If it so happens that their constituents want to stop the Republican majority in the State Senate from jamming through an anti labor law without even any attempt at a compromise, then they are correct in using whatever legal method necessary to represent the will of their people. Their loyalty is after all supposed to be to their people, even more so than to the government institution at which their people sent them to serve.

Being a true Representative of the peoples will is much more important than their attendance record. Democracy is supposed to be a compromise. The reason the Republican's didn't employ this strategy, is because the healthcare law actually was a compromise that contained many Republican ideas. The Republicans were given more than a year, and several committee hearings and ammendments before a vote actually took place. Governor Walker on the other hand is trying to jam this through without even talking to a single Democrat about it. Drastic times call for drastic measures.

The rarely used strategy of denying a quorum isn't without precedent either, Lincoln did it himself a long time ago as a congressman to try and save the Illinois state run bank from the Wall Street interests that eventually shut it down anyway.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Tuesday 22nd of February 2011 02:59:03 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

And now it's happening in Illinois and soon Ohio. This has nothing to do with state budget fixes, as the unions in Wisconsin have agreed to whatever financial concessions necessary. This is an organized attack on labor from the Republican Governor's association, and it's going nationwide.

Let there be no doubt now where Republicans stand in regard to working class people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110222/ap_on_re_us/us_indiana_democrats_unions

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker... Given the timing of the events it's safe to say this whole issue was an advertisement stunt to boost Rham's Chicago Mayor victory. With all the Union Democrats currently rumored to be hiding out in Illiniois, and the simple fact that Wisconsin Democats are the minority, there is really no other reason for them to pull such a stunt. They will all have to eventually return to work, and when they do they will still be the minority.

I wasn't aware the Chicago Mayor elections were being held today, then again I am not from Illinois. But now that I do know that the elections were tonight, and that Rham was able to pull off a victory, it's all becoming clear to me now.

Dirty.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

No reason to pull such a stunt, except of course to protect working class people. This has nothing to do with Rahm Emanuel.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Sure PowerStroker... I don't see how Unions protect ALL working American people but a relatively small group. I say we even the playing field, that way I can afford to hire some skilled workers.

-- Edited by SELLC on Thursday 24th of February 2011 09:13:30 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Unions set a standard for wages that non union employees benefit from. It's like a negotiated industry minimum. If you can't afford to pay people such a minimum, perhaps it's your business model that needs to change, and not collective bargaining rights.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I would say Unions have reached a tipping point. I am sure they will make a comeback. For a guy who hates business campaign contrabutions you sure don't mind the Union being all up in the government.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

That's because Unions are democratic organizations by nature. We elect our union leadership and if they fail to represent us - we elect someone else.

Corporations are ANTI democratic and are structured like kingdoms in that - whatever the king says goes, and anybody who doesn't like it will get hung.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Corporations are ANTI democratic and are structured like kingdoms in that - whatever the king says goes, and anybody who doesn't like it will get hung.

Things like profit and performance could never have anything to do with structure huh? Anyone who does not hack it gets the axe.

Ask Saddam what he thinks about your hanging statement.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

There is nothing wrong with profit and performance. Democracy actually leads to incredible efficiencies.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

Democracy actually leads to incredible efficiencies.

I think your idea of Democracy looks a lot more like socializim to me PowerStroker.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

If democracy is socialism, then would you call the unprecidented and legally questionable tactics of how the Wisconsin Republicans passed the bill without a quorum - Fascism by chance?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Fascism?

Naw....

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I think a bunch of Wisconsin Republicans are going to be recalled, they are already well on their way to getting enough signatures to start the process.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You know it's funny... A lot of people said the same thing about Obama and the Democrats... Only they were adult enough to wait until election time.

Hell the entire Democratic arm in Wis. already took a two week vacation, why not waste some more time!? If anyone should be recalled it should be the Democrats that skipped work for two weeks.

Let's also not forget that the Republicans in Wis. were elected by a fair vote by the people FOR the people.

Dear boy... There will be no recall.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Republicans didn't run on a platform of Union busting, they just decided to surpirse us with that after they won.

Democrats ran on health care reform in 08 and won anyway.

Now you tell me who is a more honest broker.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Republicans ran on the platform of budget reform and debt reduction, that's what this Wis. issue is all about.

Democrats run on the false promise of health care reform where as the only ones getting reformed are the people, by forcing them to buy health insurance. Rather than really reform the insurance/medical industry the people got the shaft. I got a feeling there are going to be a lot of pissed off people when this flawed health care laws takes effect. The people who are going to be pissed the most will be the Democrats because all the rich will still have Stellar health care plans because they can afford them. Sure, the lower-middle class Republicans will be pissed too, but we already know it's going to suck.

I'd say the Republicans are the "More" honest brokers. I don't recall and Republican asking the people to "Pass" a bill in order to see what's inside it.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Maybe if the Republicans want to actually reduce the debt, they should consider not giving a 140 Million dollar tax giveaway to corporations like Gov Scott Walker did as soon as he took office. Or maybe they should raise taxes on the higher income brackets instead of making school teachers and fire fighters pay for their corporate giveaways.

I realize you hate unions, because you're a Republican, and you're supposed to hate unions. What you may not realize though, is that there is a direct correlation to working class wages in general - be they union or non, and the percentage of the workforce that is unionized. If you take away collective bargaining for those who choose to organize, you essentially reduce wages for EVERYONE, and there is no shortage of data showing this connection. Try the google Rex.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

Maybe if the Republicans want to actually reduce the debt, they should consider not giving a 140 Million dollar tax giveaway to corporations like Gov Scott Walker did as soon as he took office. Or maybe they should raise taxes on the higher income brackets instead of making school teachers and fire fighters pay for their corporate giveaways.

Just like I said before PowerStroker.... SOUNDS LIKE SOCIALISM TO ME!

The problem with socialism PowerStroker, is sooner or later you guys run out of other peoples money to spend. Just how much should we tax these big businesses? Because the more they have to pay in taxes is the more we will ultimately pay for products/services offered by these companies. You just don't get it do you?

I realize you hate unions, because you're a Republican, and you're supposed to hate unions. What you may not realize though, is that there is a direct correlation to working class wages in general - be they union or non, and the percentage of the workforce that is unionized. If you take away collective bargaining for those who choose to organize, you essentially reduce wages for EVERYONE, and there is no shortage of data showing this connection. Try the google Rex.

Again... I NEVER said I hate Unions, and I was never sent a memo from the Republicans saying I should hate unions either. What I said was that often times union employees are RUDE and walk around like the customer/business owner is lucky they are even present to do their job, you know, the one they are getting PAID to do. Not only that I think there is a great deal of corruption in the unions. I think unions should be BANNED from politics and any form of ownership of a business outside of looking after their constituents. I think the unions are shafting the businesses along with the people they get paid to represent. I think it's high time they become humble.
Ask anyone who is unfortunate enough to have to deal with a union employee.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm a union employee, and I know many people who are very happy to deal with me. I often gain new customers who have tried without success to have their truck fixed at another dealer - usually a non union one. Not that the quality of the technician is in any way affected by their union status anyway.

If corporations are willing to stop throwing money at politics, then it would be only fair that unions should follow suit. As it happens, in the last election, 7 of the top 10 political donors were corporations and they overwhelmingly supported Republicans. The "US Chamber of Commerce" topped the list. The only 3 groups from the left who even cracked the top ten were AFSCME, SEIU, and NEA, and none of them even made the top 5.

This shouldn't be the best democracy money can buy, but it's what Republicans seem to want.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Don't take it personally PowerStroker, there are exceptions to the rule..

mikethomsun · Rookie

I think its very diffcult to explain.Most of the democrats cannot hadle the bussiness.The republican idea has actually been incorporated into the Democrats' House and Senate health bills, though in a somewhat different form.They say its redundant for states to have to pass laws to allow their residents to buy coverage from other states. And they don't like the idea of having the federal government set minimum standards.That's why they handle the issue.

-- Edited by mikethomsun on Tuesday 15th of March 2011 04:36:50 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Exactly, The healthcare law is basically a tweaked version of what Mitt Romney passed for Massachusetts. The Individual Mandate aspect was actually a Republican Idea all along, they just decided to be against it once they saw Obama was Ok with it.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

For the record, I was not impressed with the mandated heath care law in Boston, even if it was a Romney branded product.

So it looks like were all shipping up to Boston.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

And the plot thickens. A Wisconsin judge just issued a restraining order to prevent the new union busting law from taking effect because the Republicans passed illegally without giving proper notice before holding the vote. Wisconsin's "Open meetings" law requires 24 hours notice to schedule the actual vote. The Republicans pushed it through with less than 2 hours notice.

They can vote on it again with 24 hours notice, but I wonder if we can flip a couple more moderate Republicans now that they are about to be successfully recalled?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110318/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions_lawsuit

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

So I guess the fact the Democrats went on a vacation for almost a month is no big deal? Lest we forget the only reason such measures had to be taken was because the Democrats were playing hookie from work.

No Republicans are going to flip. It was just a way to get them lazy Democrats back to work, all the while showing how much time and money can be wasted while babies cry and hold up progress (Much like a union strike).

You know PowerStroker, you sound a lot like countless opponents of the health care law in your post above. Just sayin...

Being self employed or should I say non-union (like the MAJORITY of the people) I don't see why any group of people should have the right to disrupt an entire organizations work-force. I don't think the Democrats actions of leaving town for several weeks was acceptable. If and when there is a time for a 2nd vote will the Democrats go on vacation again? If they do I'd say the recalls should be on the left side of the isle.

-- Edited by SELLC on Friday 18th of March 2011 04:21:57 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

So you're in favor of busting unions and the result it would have on ALL working class wages? I'm not, I think the 14 Wisconsin Dems are heros.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

It took me an hour to submit my revised responce. Got caught up in some action.

I am more concerned about this health care mandate than Unions PowerStroker. I understand it's a big deal to you, but to me it seems petty. The scope of people effected with the flawed heathcare law is absolute, your little union spat is not.

I think you are just partisan and bias in every respect.