Id have to agree PowerStroker. The once was "landing" for the VDO lounge has somewhat disappointed us. Much like the Obama administration.
I will merge the rest of these thread into the MB-TP and re-name the off topic to the VDO Lounge.
The term VDO is an instrumentation maker for automobiles. From Speedometers to tachometers, oil pressure gauges, volt meters and temperature gauges. The relevance was that the forums or views of the forum were gauged by the threads contained within. Sort of a national instrument panel if you will.
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