Obama Administration Opposes FDR Prayer at WWII Memorial

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The courage of FDR and his timeless wisdom

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Were you even alive when FDR was in office?

The way I watch people try and re-write history every day on the Internet makes me weary of anything that was before my time, no matter how nicely it's packaged.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

He was elected to clean up the first Republican Great Depression, and died in office (in his 3rd term) long before I was born, but the battle lines in this country have not changed much since. The names and faces change, but the 2 competing visions for this country do not.

FDR was the last transformational Democrat to hold the highest office in the world. I hope Obama follows in his footsteps.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Nothing like folk-lore.

FDR could have been an incredible ass who over time started looking better and better. Kind of how your great-great-great Grandchildren will look at Bush Jr as your rolling in your grave. Let's hope the USA is around long enough for that.

Or maybe you will get lucky and your great-great-great Grandchildren will wade through a bazillion advertisements to find your long lost online MB-TP postings. Id imagine by that time you would come off as a neanderthal... "old" school if you will... Outdated and possibly censored, which of course would have me rolling in my grave.

See what kind of shit I have to deal with PowerStroker? Tell me at least 7 great things that FDR did that lead to "good" transformational policy as it pertains to the United States. I wasnt there so Ill just have to take your word on it, which would be hear-say anyway at this point.

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SELLC wrote:
Tell me at least 7 great things that FDR did that lead to "good" transformational policy as it pertains to the United States.

Social Security

The "New Deal"

The National Labor Relations act

Took us out of President Hoover's Great Depression

Created the FDIC

Created the Securities and exchange commission

The Works Project Administration

The National Recovery Administration

Lead us through WW2, made America the "arsenal of democracy" and died just as victory was in sight

The Glass-Stegall Act

The Civilian Conservation Corps

The Tennessee Valley Authority

Repealed Prohibition

Created the minimum wage

Unemployment Insurance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

And my favorite:

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Social Security
The "New Deal"
The National Labor Relations act
Took us out of President Hoover's Great Depression
Created the FDIC
Created the Securities and exchange commission
The Works Project Administration
The National Recovery Administration
Lead us through WW2, made America the "arsenal of democracy" and died just as victory was in sight
The Glass-Stegall Act
The Civilian Conservation Corps
The Tennessee Valley Authority
Repealed Prohibition
Created the minimum wage
Unemployment Insurance

For gawds sake PowerStroker!

NONE OF THEM THINGS HELP THE HARD WORKING AMERICAN SMALL BUSINESS MAN.

I see MAYBE three bi-partison efforts by FDR to help ALL Americans. The rest of them are typical Democratic style government hand-outs! Some of them at the very brink of failure!

90% of them things are main reasons companies have moved off shore, or worse yet stunted the many small businesses from ever getting up and running! The FDIC never did shit when a bank stole 10K from me! I have always named my hourly rate, and I have seen some people that are not even worth minimum wage, if fact they are such a pain that I should be paid to put up with and train them.

The glass-Stegal act is a fucking joke... Used only when it's convenient and shelved when it really needs to be used.

The Works Project Administration, The National Recovery Administration, The Tennessee Valley Authority, are all just bullshit. The old-school equivalent of a czar.

I am not impressed one bit, and if this is what I can expect from Obama I don't want nothing to do with it. The shit about FRD taking us out of President Hoover's Great Depression, and leading us through WW2, made America the "arsenal of democracy" and died just as victory was in sight are also very partison statements at their core.

The only thing I can drink to on that list is the repeal of prohibition!

So FDR did ONE thing great huh? No wonder he is your hero!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Having a bank approve you for a loan, and then not give it to you isn't exactly stealing 10 grand from you.

Are you suggesting that you will refuse your Social Security checks when you get older?

The Republican's repealed Glass Stegall by the way in favor of de-regulating Wall Street and causing a housing bubble that left us all worse off.

The things you suggest were bi-partisan, weren't.

Can you list a Conservative Republican president who did more for regular people than FDR?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Friday 28th of October 2011 05:05:49 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Having a bank approve you for a loan, and then not give it to you isn't exactly stealing 10 grand from you.
I don't think you understand. I CLOSED ON A LOAN. That means I presented a free and clear title as collateral for X amount of dollars. PAPERS WERE SIGNED, CHECK WAS ISSUED! I asked for them to tender the amount and was told they did not have that much cash on hand. 2 days later they applied 10K without my consent to the principal. Who the fuck takes out a 5 year loan and pays more than half of it back in 48 hours? It's not over...

Are you suggesting that you will refuse your Social Security checks when you get older?
Refuse them? Are you saying that they will just automatically start rolling in at a certain date? Or will I have to apply, and then HOPE they still have money? What if I am making big bucks? Will I still get one or will they take it away? That's what I thought.

The Republican's repealed Glass Stegall by the way in favor of de-regulating Wall Street and causing a housing bubble that left us all worse off.
I didn't hear anything about Glass Stegall when Comcast merged with MSNBC. Content provider buying out a major media outlet without so much as a blink of an eye from the JD or SEC? Yeah whatever PowerStroker! You keep kidding yourself, like the times you try and convince me that a union owning share in a business the workers pay dues to protect from is a good idea.
The things you suggest were bi-partisan, weren't.
No? Are you suggesting FDR and the Democrats had a super-majority all throughout his administration?
Can you list a Conservative Republican president who did more for regular people than FDR?
Well since you asked, Lincoln, Reagan, and Bush Jr

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

The Republican's repealed Glass Stegall by the way in favor of de-regulating Wall Street and causing a housing bubble that left us all worse off.
I didn't hear anything about Glass Stegall when Comcast merged with MSNBC. Content provider buying out a major media outlet without so much as a blink of an eye from the JD or SEC? Yeah whatever PowerStroker! You keep kidding yourself, like the times you try and convince me that a union owning share in a business the workers pay dues to protect from is a good idea.
Do you even know what Glass-Stegall did??? It seperated Investment banking from Commercial banking. When the Republicans passed the Gramm-Leech-Bliley Act, it repealed Glass-Stegall and allowed commercial banks which accept your deposits, to gamble your deposits on speculative investments called derrivitaves which were simpley bets on actual investments without actually investing in something. This was a main reason for the financial meltdown we just went through... It's also one of the main contributors for the first Great Depression, and the reason why FDR passed Glass-Stegall in the first place, because he didn't want another Depression.
The things you suggest were bi-partisan, weren't.
No? Are you suggesting FDR and the Democrats had a super-majority all throughout his administration?
He did through most of it. After the Great Depresson, Republican's weren't exactly popular.
Can you list a Conservative Republican president who did more for regular people than FDR?
Well since you asked, Lincoln,
I said CONSERVATIVE, Lincoln was a Liberal Republican.
Reagan, and Bush Jr
And would you please list their accomplishments on behalf of regular working class people?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Thanks for side stepping my rant.... DICK!

Do you even know what Glass-Stegall did???
I'm sorry PowerStroker... I had a brain fart. I mixed up the Glass-Stegall with Sherman. Although amazingly enough they both seem to opperate with the same selective application.
My bad.
He did through most of it. After the Great Depresson, Republican's weren't exactly popular.
Maybe Bush Jr would have been more popular if he got head from an intern in the oval office twards the end of his Presidency?
I said CONSERVATIVE, Lincoln was a Liberal Republican.
You got to be kidding!? Lincoln was so conservtive he didn't even waste money paying for a shave! Hell Lincoln was so CONSERVATIVE he freed the slaves so the government could tax them too! Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
And would you please list their accomplishments on behalf of regular working class people?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

REAGAN

1. President Reagans economic policies stimulated the economy, creating 17 million new jobs. One-fourth of the new jobs were created in 68 consecutive months. Black unemployment was cut in half.

2. We were given incentives to save our money, to work, and to invest because of Reagans tax reforms.

3. The inflation rate decreased to less than 4.4%. Family income rose 12%.

4. We are now experiencing the longest and strongest peacetime prosperity in the history of the nation.

5. We are experiencing the best peacetime relationship with the Soviet Union in our history. We have also seen the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan.

6. We are now keeping the peace. We drew the line in Grenada, Libya, Afghanistan, and the Persian Gulf, and no countries have fallen to communism during the Reagan era.

7. The U.S. military was refurbished and strengthened.

8. There is now a call for prayer in schools. The Republican adminstration has been lobbying to give this deserved religious freedom.

9. We have seen a return to traditional values. Under Reagan, we have seen a cut in federal funding of abortions; emphasis on a strong family unit; and the development of family-oriented public policy.

10. Educational leaders are now working to sustain moral values and reestablish a clear understanding of right and wrong. The need for values in the curriculum has been trumpeted by the Reagan administration.

11. People from other nations are flocking to America to follow our example. Our principles of civil and economic freedom are now being copied all over the world.

America Just Prior to the Reagan Administration

1. Seven million Americans were unemployed.

2. We were told to live on less, to buckle our belts and to prepare for scarcity.

3. Americans went through two of the worst years of inflation in 60 years. There was a 13% inflation rate. Family income dropped and we had the highest tax bill in our history.

4. We were on the verge of a major recession.

5. With our cold wars during the 70s, we inspired our enemies not to be afraid of us. The Soviets refused to come to the bargaining table. Cultural exchanges between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. came to a halt.

6. Disarmament was considered a noble goal. We did not know where to draw the line in our negotiations with the Soviets. Three countries fell to communism under the Carter administration: Benin (1977), Nicaragua (1979), and Zimbabwe (1980).

7. Guns and tanks that did not even work were being sent to battle.

8. Young Americans were not allowed to pray in school even though Congress, every state house, and the Supreme Court begins business with prayer.

9. Progressive values became fashionable. Social policies emulated the values of a small, vocal minority.

10. Education did not sustain moral values. Educational curricula began to promote alternative lifesyles, such as homosexuality.

11. America wore a kick me sign on its back. We lost our edge in technology and in global markets due to excessive government regulation, and high taxes which devoured capital.

http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0165_Reagans_accomplishme.html

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

BUSH

Look at the expression on Obama's face...

Priceless!

I bet that Bush had just asked Clinton if Obama was going to get a blow-job at the end of his term too.

-- Edited by SELLC on Saturday 29th of October 2011 01:37:01 AM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

If i put as much money on the national credit card that Reagan did, you better believe I could stimulate the economy too. Reagan didn't worry about paying for anything though. It seems Republicans only care about bananced budgets when Dems are in charge.

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So tell us all PowerStroker... How much did Reagan spend in his entire 8 years? Now how much has Obama spent in 3?

Care to revise your statement?

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Fiscal Year	President	Party of President	Federal Spending			Federal Debt			Gross Domestic Product			Inflation Adjustor^[15]
Fiscal Year	President	Party of President	Billions^[16]	Adjusted^[17]	Increase	Billions^[18]	Adjusted^[19]	Percentage Increase	Billions^[20]	Adjusted^[21]	Increase	Inflation Adjustor^[15]
1978-2005		Democratic			9.9%			4.2%			12.6%
1978-2005		Republican			12.1%			36.4%			10.7%


19781981	Carter	Democratic	$678	$1,219	17.2%	$994	$1,787	-0.4%	$3,055	$5,492	9.4%
19821985	Reagan	Republican	$946	$1,396	14.5%	$1,817	$2,680	49.0%	$4,142	$6,108	11.2%
19861989	Reagan	Republican	$1,144	$1,499	7.4%	$2,867	$3,757	40.2%	$5,401	$7,077	15.9%
19901993	Bush	Republican	$1,410	$1,615	7.8%	$4,351	$4,987	32.7%	$6,576	$7,536	6.5%
19941997	Clinton	Democratic	$1,601	$1,684	4.3%	$5,369	$5,647	13.2%	$8,182	$8,606	14.2%
19982001	Clinton	Democratic	$1,863	$1,821	8.1%	$5,769	$5,638	-0.2%	$10,058	$9,829	14.2%
20022005	Bush	Republican	$2,472	$2,165	18.9%	$7,905	$6,923	22.8%	$12,238	$10,717	9.0%
2006-2009*	Bush	Republican	$3,107	$2,452	13.3%	$10,413	$8,218	18.7%	$15,027	$11,859	10.7%

2010*	Obama	Democratic	$3,091	$2,392	-2.4%	$11,875	$9,247	12.5%	$14,508	$11,297	-2.0%	1.29

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 31st of October 2011 09:25:10 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Is Obamacare factored into them numbers PowerStroker? How about the 1st stimulus money? I think it was something like 1.7 Trillion alone, give or take. Of course we might not have needed that money if someone would not have campaigned on the premise that the sky is falling.

I think you got yourself some fuzzy math there buddy.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

That's straight from wikipedia. I know not everything on there is true, but there must be enough partisans on both sides watching those numbers for accuracy I would think.

It's kind of hard to read because you have to factor in the fact that our Gross Domestic Product under Reagan was only about half of what it is today, and inflation is also a factor. But there's no denying Federal spending is down 2.4 percent under Obama from Bush spending levels. And the column that shows the percentage of debt increase is astonishing in my opinion. Reagan increased our debt by about 45 percent over his Presidency, and Obama is averaging about 12.5 percent. And then you look to the top rows where they break it down by party and it's even more clear. Between 1978-2005, When Dems were in the White House, they increased our debt by 4.2 percent, but in the same time period, the Republicans increased our debt by 36.4 Percent (Thanks to Reagan and the Bush boys).

Hell, the only Presidents in recently history that actually balanced the budget and REDUCED our debt were Clinton and Carter.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 31st of October 2011 09:42:43 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Guy them numbers have to be propoganda! They may as well be throwing bushels of them out of planes all over the USA.

Where is Gerry when you need him with a contradicting view. Like I said FUZZY!

-- Edited by SELLC on Monday 31st of October 2011 09:44:19 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I didn't fudge the numbers dude, this is all a matter of public record you can research for yourself.

Do you think I'm a Democrat because I'm clueless, I'm a Democrat because I'm informed on these matters, and I don't like debt.

In my opinion, the policies of Republicans are based on their fear of taxes and doing whatever is necessary to cut taxes regardless of what it does to our debt, and the numbers shown above agree.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

What you fail to realize or acknowledge PowerStroker, is the fact that all Obamas numbers are technically just projections or estimations. He has yet to complete his full term, but even as fuzzy as them numbers are it's clear to see he's well on his way to outspend.

Anything that says "Adjusted" to me sounds like BS. How about the hard dollars, no adjustments.

I would imagine Obama's asking congress for more money went about the same as Dr. Evil asking for a hundred billion trillion fazillion dollars and then them laughing their asses of telling him that amount of money doesn't even exist.

Just the hard numbers please PowerStroker. We know the printing press has been running at WOT for awhile now. This is what creates bubbles...

-- Edited by SELLC on Monday 31st of October 2011 10:21:13 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Obama doesn't control the printing presses, and neither does Congress. That is entirely the perogative of the Federal Reserve Bank, which was created by congress but operates independently. The Federal Reserve sets MONITARY policy, and we are all starting to realize that MONITARY policy can't compensate for bad trade policies.

Bad trade policies like WTO, GATT, Nafta... And the 3 more that Obama is actually pushing, sigh.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

Bad trade policies like WTO, GATT, Nafta... And the 3 more that Obama is actually pushing, sigh.

You have the Democrats to thank for that stuff ^^^^^

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I have both parties to thank for them... It seems the one bi-partisan thing is selling out our manufacturing sector. I would expect it from your side, but to see people I voted for do it too just makes me sick.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Pardon me PowerStroker....

Might you have some Grey Poupon?

Maybe a little Dijon Mustard will make all of this Democratic bureaucracy go down a little easier.

gerryvz · Member

PowerStroker wrote:
but to see people I voted for do it too just makes me sick.

Yeah, there's a lot of that going around right now. The term I've read for it in the peer-reviewed research journals is called ODD -- that stands for Obama Disillusionment Disorder.

It's when "The One" who billed himself as the Messiah, the one who would save America from itself, has fallen flat on his face and can't get up.

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It's still better to have a guy in office that screws me on some issues, than to have someone who screws me on everything.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Well then PowerStroker, after this big thread about FDR and you apparent admiration of the man how do you feel about this?

Obama Administration Opposes FDR Prayer at WWII Memorial

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/04/obama-administration-opposes-fdr-prayer-at-wwii-memorial/#ixzz1coR2Z3rM

I think you will find in the "end" that your getting screwed on everything, and that you have been kept down for so long that even "scraps" looks like "something".

gerryvz · Member

LoooL !!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

That's an example of something I don't care about. I think Obama is just trying to keep religious undertones off of a monument dedicated to patriots of all religions who died for this country. This is consistent with the First Ammendment, and as a professor of Constitutional law, I think President Obama is mindful of that.

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PowerStroker wrote:
That's an example of something I don't care about. I think Obama is just trying to keep religious undertones off of a monument dedicated to patriots of all religions who died for this country.
Oh I see... And "In God We trust" is a waste of time according to Obama too. You really are a partisan HACK.
This is consistent with the First Ammendment,
Is it? Really? Why don't you post up the first amendment, oh I forgot the bill of rights is a living document, because as times changes so must our core rights. Nigga PLEASE!
and as a professor of Constitutional law, I think President Obama is mindful of that.
A professor of Constitutional law would know better than sign into law an un-constiutional heath care law. The only person more of a partisan hack than you PowerStroker would be your boy Obama. I don't think Obama is mindful of anything at this point except for what group is lining his pockets.

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I hate to tell you this Rex, but you have much bigger fish to fry than me - Stoma is back.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I myself dont care for Flounder.