If Islam does now allow usury, then why did they accept usury (Interest) from the USA in a settlement?
Islam has a strict policy with regards to usury, however the Islamic Republic of Iran not only took, but demand usury payments from the USA! They took an amount of money greater than what they gave - i.e: interest!
Irans is known as the "Islamic Republic of Iran", and some might dismiss it as "just business", however Muslims in the USA are constantly seeking concessions from business to pray 5 times a day and refuse to perform certain tasks...Seems like we have a very serious double standard on our hands here... And by that "business" rational, should business owners should be able to tell Muslims to get bent when they ask for prayer time or refuse to perform a job based on religious beliefs?
It's an honest question, I'd like a honest answer!
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Fuck Iran !!! They'll soon be dissolved by all the nuclear waste floating around the place from the last Iraq war. And they've always been a cause for miss-trust, so I could care less.
The Arab wars should never ever have been invaded by the UN or other means, ever. And no-one should ever have tried to take sides with one or the other. But this causes war of course, & the US-of-A, just like Russia, needs to off-load excess / old technology weapons, to pay for the new ones...
You're finding oil all over the place at the moment, so the Middle East can go-to-hell for all its miss-trust & treachory. And as for Islam, I wish it never existed in the first place...The biggest crock-of-shit ever digested by man.
As long as they don't have Nukes, let them kill each other. It's not as though they give a damn about dying, so let them fast-track to allah, & leave us all in relative peace.
Amen,
Rastus
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I do not care for Iran either Rastus... In fact, I think Obama and Kerry should be tried for treason for giving a state sponsor of terror so much untraceable cash money that will only be used to commit acts of terror upon our people all over the world. For me, and I think most of America, this was the last straw.
It would seem your feelings on Muslims and the Middle East are shared by most all of Europe, except for in government where Islam is given special concessions that I don't feel comfortable with.
I try very hard not to hate anyone just because of their race or religion. I have been pleasantly surprised at times, but often times it's difficult. You harbor a very deep resentment of Muslims and Middle Easterners and I have seen this before in many others. I can't say I share your level of hatred but I do understand it given this question that I can not seem to get a straight answer on.
Religion is a very-very difficult subject when you are not just adhering to one. Many if not all frown on even researching other religions. Then of course, there are other factors that come into play which are only human nature and not exclusive of any religion.
I only made this thread because as I said, I have a very mixed feeling about Iran and concessions expected by people of the Islamic faith in general but they are not enough to make me feel as strongly as you just yet.
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I don't so much have a hatred of Islam, but I do have a severe mistrust of these folks, if only because I shared a house with Muslims ( & Indians ) whilst attending University / Maritime College. And from here, though I never felt too threatened ( one guy did want to kill me one day lol ), they segregate themselves away from other people, & society in general. And when it comes to religion, they've been brain-washed from such a young age that reasonable considerations of other points-of-view are basically deflected, & can't be digested for consideration.
Some are decent human beings too, & are my friends. ( Though this is up to an Islamic point )....
Yes, here too in Oz, everyone bends over backwards to please, & kisses ass, but no honest concessions are made to us, since we are not Islamic. Ship them back home & let them source their solutions to their own problems out for themselves.
The UAE students that I studied with were OK chaps, no reason to bitch & moan here LOL ! But they have now, basically bought-out the University...And where my hard-earned qualification is recognized as an ADME ( Advanced Diploma of Marine Engineering ), they managed to have this qualification raised to "Bachelor of Marine Engineering", for the same course time. It used to take another 2-years study to be awarded this, so around 6-years in total. Now they can achieve it in 3....
It costs each student around 20-K for the course alone, per year. Multiplied by 3-years = 60K. Multiply that by 20 students = 1200-K. Multiply that x 3 for each year of study having 20-students = 3600-K... Or if you rather, 3.6 million dollars being turned over every year by the University. That's how they bought themselves the qualification...And yes, Rastus has to do a further 1-year there to get the qualification, but it offers no employment benefit for me, as I already have the best ticket for the highest paying job at sea.
So, here we have terrorist activity all around the world, that's generally accepted as stemming from Islamic people, killing innocent folks. We also have governments selling themselves & the education dept. out to please these folks. They receive plenty of ( as Stoma would say ) Govt. Cheese, & I'm told to give them space & respect, since they have a difficult life being a Muslim...And our tax dollars are used to build them mosks, so that they can pray....
They can go & get ****ed !
I'm more disappointed at the hypocrisy of it all than Islam in general, but still, it's their problem, let them work it out for themselves !!!
Cheers,
Rastus
-- Edited by Rastus on Friday 31st of March 2017 07:02:22 AM
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"Only an alert & knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial & military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods & goals, so that security & liberty may prosper together". Dwight D.Eisenhower.
I don't so much have a hatred of Islam, but I do have a severe mistrust of these folks, if only because I shared a house with Muslims ( & Indians ) whilst attending University / Maritime College. And from here, though I never felt too threatened ( one guy did want to kill me one day lol ), they segregate themselves away from other people, & society in general. And when it comes to religion, they've been brain-washed from such a young age that reasonable considerations of other points-of-view are basically deflected, & can't be digested for consideration.
Some are decent human beings too, & are my friends. ( Though this is up to an Islamic point )....
Yes, here too in Oz, everyone bends over backwards to please, & kisses ass, but no honest concessions are made to us, since we are not Islamic. Ship them back home & let them source their solutions to their own problems out for themselves.
The UAE students that I studied with were OK chaps, no reason to bitch & moan here LOL ! But they have now, basically bought-out the University...And where my hard-earned qualification is recognized as an ADME ( Advanced Diploma of Marine Engineering ), they managed to have this qualification raised to "Bachelor of Marine Engineering", for the same course time. It used to take another 2-years study to be awarded this, so around 6-years in total. Now they can achieve it in 3....
It costs each student around 20-K for the course alone, per year. Multiplied by 3-years = 60K. Multiply that by 20 students = 1200-K. Multiply that x 3 for each year of study having 20-students = 3600-K... Or if you rather, 3.6 million dollars being turned over every year by the University. That's how they bought themselves the qualification...And yes, Rastus has to do a further 1-year there to get the qualification, but it offers no employment benefit for me, as I already have the best ticket for the highest paying job at sea.
So, here we have terrorist activity all around the world, that's generally accepted as stemming from Islamic people, killing innocent folks. We also have governments selling themselves & the education dept. out to please these folks. They receive plenty of ( as Stoma would say ) Govt. Cheese, & I'm told to give them space & respect, since they have a difficult life being a Muslim...And our tax dollars are used to build them mosks, so that they can pray....
They can go & get ****ed !
I'm more disappointed at the hypocrisy of it all than Islam in general, but still, it's their problem, let them work it out for themselves !!!
Cheers,
Rastus
I understand where you're coming from....
I have found that Hindu Indians are generally good people and integrate well into society from what I can tell... They do like to stick together, but that is true of any race or religion so you can't exactly knock them for that.
I have not personally had many problems with Muslims myself, but there is certainly a lot of problems with them in the media and they are somewhat touchy about their religion. I once had a Muslim face East and start praying while working on his vehicle, I found it very odd and somewhat inappropriate given the setting but I never said anything about it. I did however keep checking over my shoulder during the entire event... LOL, because you don't know what they are saying and honestly you start to feel like there is a time and place for everything and in the middle of having your car repaired is not one of them.
This brings me to my whole issue with usury and how conveniently such "tenets" of Islam are overlooked when it comes to their government. PowerStroker has suggested they look at it as inflation, but under no reasonable inflation standards could one come up with the amount that was paid to Iran for interest. This leaves me feeling like the tenets of Islam are just a matter of selective enforcement to the Iranian and other Islamic nations. Take for example the stoning of women, forced marriages, and the many charges that have been levied against American citizens while visiting these Islamic nations. They are by the book when it comes to prosecution and enforcement but when it comes to money they are selective in how they interpret Islam. To me that is total BS and this revelation as it pertains to usury and Irans willing acceptance of interest has caused me to lose respect for Islam in general. I used to think they were very committed to their religion, as odd and misunderstood as it was. Now I am realizing that the people who practice it may be more committed than the countries pushing and enforcing it. In other words, these people who demand concessions and respect for their customs are no longer justified in my mind as their tenets are not followed by their homelands and thus should hold no special weight here in the USA, much the same way as Christianity or any other religion takes a back seat to the law and business here. The separation of Church and State is just as valid for a Muslim as it would be for a Christian, meaning no special concessions to wear burkas during work, and certainly no justifiable reason to even consider implementation of Sharia law for ANY REASON on US soil.
This may bother our Islamic citizens, and that is not my intent. They can take it up with the Islamic Republic of Iran because prior to this revelation I at least supported their right to concessions for prayer and their dress code.. However I've never supported the implementation for Sharia law anywhere on US soil just because they can go home if they wish to live under that form of law.
Obviously I live in close proximity to the largest concentration of Muslims here in the USA, so obviously I felt it necessary to try and understand them as best I could. I'm really not a bad guy and I have never allowed my religious beliefs to ever dictate anything with regards to my business or associations with anyone of a different faith. I am simply just learning and developing my own opinions about these things and expressing them to even better understand my own thought process. Hope that makes sense.
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Perhaps they viewed it as an inflation adjustment instead of interest?
This sounds like a good answer to me too ! Even allah would likely approve, & offer you 11-virgins for your patience.
Cheers,
Rastus
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"Only an alert & knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial & military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods & goals, so that security & liberty may prosper together". Dwight D.Eisenhower.
I don't so much have a hatred of Islam, but I do have a severe mistrust of these folks, if only because I shared a house with Muslims ( & Indians ) whilst attending University / Maritime College. And from here, though I never felt too threatened ( one guy did want to kill me one day lol ), they segregate themselves away from other people, & society in general. And when it comes to religion, they've been brain-washed from such a young age that reasonable considerations of other points-of-view are basically deflected, & can't be digested for consideration.
Some are decent human beings too, & are my friends. ( Though this is up to an Islamic point )....
Yes, here too in Oz, everyone bends over backwards to please, & kisses ass, but no honest concessions are made to us, since we are not Islamic. Ship them back home & let them source their solutions to their own problems out for themselves.
The UAE students that I studied with were OK chaps, no reason to bitch & moan here LOL ! But they have now, basically bought-out the University...And where my hard-earned qualification is recognized as an ADME ( Advanced Diploma of Marine Engineering ), they managed to have this qualification raised to "Bachelor of Marine Engineering", for the same course time. It used to take another 2-years study to be awarded this, so around 6-years in total. Now they can achieve it in 3....
It costs each student around 20-K for the course alone, per year. Multiplied by 3-years = 60K. Multiply that by 20 students = 1200-K. Multiply that x 3 for each year of study having 20-students = 3600-K... Or if you rather, 3.6 million dollars being turned over every year by the University. That's how they bought themselves the qualification...And yes, Rastus has to do a further 1-year there to get the qualification, but it offers no employment benefit for me, as I already have the best ticket for the highest paying job at sea.
So, here we have terrorist activity all around the world, that's generally accepted as stemming from Islamic people, killing innocent folks. We also have governments selling themselves & the education dept. out to please these folks. They receive plenty of ( as Stoma would say ) Govt. Cheese, & I'm told to give them space & respect, since they have a difficult life being a Muslim...And our tax dollars are used to build them mosks, so that they can pray....
They can go & get ****ed !
I'm more disappointed at the hypocrisy of it all than Islam in general, but still, it's their problem, let them work it out for themselves !!!
Cheers,
Rastus
Obviously I live in close proximity to the largest concentration of Muslims here in the USA, so obviously I felt it necessary to try and understand them as best I could. I'm really not a bad guy and I have never allowed my religious beliefs to ever dictate anything with regards to my business or associations with anyone of a different faith. I am simply just learning and developing my own opinions about these things and expressing them to even better understand my own thought process. Hope that makes sense.
Hey mate,
I'm sorry if I've perhaps put you in a squeeze here, but there are many ways to see things, & understand different peoples perspectives. My point-of-view, typically spoke about the wealthy, influential, & government affected policy & outcomes of such inter-relations...
There are thousands more, who have a warranted belief in their faith, simply because they have survived through unimaginable war & holocaust, & arrived by chance, to safe refuge in the States or elsewhere, as refugees. And these folks are entitled ( I believe ) to our support & welfare, simply because it was our government(s) that essentially brought them here from our own weapons & destruction, on a political battle-field that sadly plays out in the real world & regular peoples lives.
There are others however, who corrupt the system, & play dirty & destroy lives as terrorists, in the name of Islam. Islamic people should be doing their best to expose these folks, as it's being detrimental to their own well-being.
This is where I stand anyway.
Ciao,
Rastus
-- Edited by Rastus on Saturday 1st of April 2017 06:54:55 AM
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The place has had the shit bombed out-of-it by the UK with their Nuclear Test Programme back in the 1950's & 60's.
Anyone who goes there / sent there is doomed...
Christmas Island now has the reputation of one of dozens of "Detention Centers" around the place. It's also no-where-near Australia, & lies closer to Indonesia. But having our flag reign on that island, means that by international law, we own the oil that lives close by.That's what the war in the 1970's was all about, & still is argued about today..
Indonesia rightfully claims it to be their oil, but Australia is really ran-in-fear by the US-of-A, via the UK, so this means the oil is yours too !
That's what Christmas island is all about.
Ciao,
Rastus
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"Only an alert & knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial & military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods & goals, so that security & liberty may prosper together". Dwight D.Eisenhower.
It seems a link is needed to bring us up-to-speed about Christmas island, & its interesting history....I've attached a Wiki link, that's actually pretty good about its history & use as a Detention Center for illegal migrants / refugees, & how poorly the Oz govt. has acted in the past, though things could have been much worse too. Sadly, there's no mention of the Nuclear Tests...I guess the Oz & UK govt's are getting enough complaints in the courts of law about this, as Mr.busby is winning most of the court cases for regular people who have been affected my the Nuclear Tests held there...
Anyhow, read on at your leisure !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Island
Ciao,
Rastus
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That is the same link I used to learn about Christmas Island, Rastus.
My reference to you sounding like Linus from the Peanuts was related to the Charlie Brown Christmas cartoon where Linus explains to Charlie Brown and the peanut gang what Christmas is all about. Perhaps you never seen it, or perhaps you have and that was why you ended your post the way you did. I found it humorous and immediately recognized the homage, even if it was unintentional. Given the name of the Island it was nearly dead on spot! LOL
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