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Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Please Mr Trump, let me pull the trigger

Stan_147 · Veteran User

Too merciful and quick.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

I'd go for his gut.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

As someone from the other side of the aisle, I've lived through my share of dark times too... W Bush lying us in to a war in Iraq without paying for it, The current president raping the American people both figuratively AND literally, to name a couple.

Never once did I feel violence was the answer. I have always believed one of the things that makes this country great is our ability to debate our political differences and settle those differences at the ballot box.

While certainly I would shed no tears if Muller found impeachable crimes against the current president, I would hope the remedy in such a circumstance would be just that-impeachment. I would never condone violence against, nor the murder of a freely elected official. To do so, would diminish all of us.

There was an abnormally high level of hatred for our last president. I speculate as to why, but I know that I for one breathed a sigh of relief when he left office alive at the end of his term. Not because he was done, but because he lived.

There are those on my side who very possibly hate the current president with as much gusto as some here hate the previous one. I only hope for the sake of our nation that no "lone wolves" do anything to President Trump. While I may have no respect for the man, I do have great respect for his office, and the process through which he obtained it.

Also, I might suggest people start getting their news from sources that don't have a political slant. To actively seek sources of "news" that consists of little more than "this is what they are doing to you, and this is why you should be angry about it," does a service to nobody, no matter how satisfying the emotion of hate may feel. Especially after years of such programming.

Perhaps you are all just joking, but I would submit with this country's history of political assassinations of freely elected people on both sides of the aisle, it's not funny. If you're not joking, I may have to find a new place to hang out. Either way, if the goal is to get our ridiculously loose gun laws even looser, this kind of talk doesn't help you in that endeavor.

Just Sayin

P.S. Any source of news that tells you a man who has 24 hour protection from several federal agents sworn to take a bullet for him, could possibly be arrested by some local cop, is fake news. When Kennedy was assassinated, there were local cops in Texas who tried to keep his body there for the investigation, you should ask them how accommodating the Secret Service was to their demands.

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:
As someone from the other side of the aisle, I've lived through my share of dark times too... W Bush lying us in to a war in Iraq without paying for it, The current president raping the American people both figuratively AND literally, to name a couple.
Never once did I feel violence was the answer. I have always believed one of the things that makes this country great is our ability to debate our political differences and settle those differences at the ballot box.
While certainly I would shed no tears if Muller found impeachable crimes against the current president, I would hope the remedy in such a circumstance would be just that-impeachment. I would never condone violence against, nor the murder of a freely elected official. To do so, would diminish all of us.
There was an abnormally high level of hatred for our last president. I speculate as to why, but I know that I for one breathed a sigh of relief when he left office alive at the end of his term. Not because he was done, but because he lived.
There are those on my side who very possibly hate the current president with as much gusto as some here hate the previous one. I only hope for the sake of our nation that no "lone wolves" do anything to President Trump. While I may have no respect for the man, I do have great respect for his office, and the process through which he obtained it.
Also, I might suggest people start getting their news from sources that don't have a political slant. To actively seek sources of "news" that consists of little more than "this is what they are doing to you, and this is why you should be angry about it," does a service to nobody, no matter how satisfying the emotion of hate may feel. Especially after years of such programming.
Perhaps you are all just joking, but I would submit with this country's history of political assassinations of freely elected people on both sides of the aisle, it's not funny. If you're not joking, I may have to find a new place to hang out. Either way, if the goal is to get our ridiculously loose gun laws even looser, this kind of talk doesn't help you in that endeavor.
Just Sayin
P.S. Any source of news that tells you a man who has 24 hour protection from several federal agents sworn to take a bullet for him, could possibly be arrested by some local cop, is fake news. When Kennedy was assassinated, there were local cops in Texas who tried to keep his body there for the investigation, you should ask them how accommodating the Secret Service was to their demands.

Well said !!!

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Yes Powerstroker, well thought out.

Bush was horrible too.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Agreed, and I actually voted for him the first time. His father wasn't bad though looking back.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Yes I voted for him too but after a year and a half was not too happy. Yes His Dad was not bad, not as bad as he was anyway. Love that he fought WW2, got shot down, rescued. He paid his dues. My Dad too. Joined sub service 1943 with a false BC. Did 20 years. He was on one of three top producing subs in the Pacific. Good book, very good. "The war below" His boat is in it.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
As someone from the other side of the aisle, I've lived through my share of dark times too... W Bush lying us in to a war in Iraq without paying for it, The current president raping the American people both figuratively AND literally, to name a couple.
Never once did I feel violence was the answer. I have always believed one of the things that makes this country great is our ability to debate our political differences and settle those differences at the ballot box.
While certainly I would shed no tears if Muller found impeachable crimes against the current president, I would hope the remedy in such a circumstance would be just that-impeachment. I would never condone violence against, nor the murder of a freely elected official. To do so, would diminish all of us.
There was an abnormally high level of hatred for our last president. I speculate as to why, but I know that I for one breathed a sigh of relief when he left office alive at the end of his term. Not because he was done, but because he lived.
There are those on my side who very possibly hate the current president with as much gusto as some here hate the previous one. I only hope for the sake of our nation that no "lone wolves" do anything to President Trump. While I may have no respect for the man, I do have great respect for his office, and the process through which he obtained it.
Also, I might suggest people start getting their news from sources that don't have a political slant. To actively seek sources of "news" that consists of little more than "this is what they are doing to you, and this is why you should be angry about it," does a service to nobody, no matter how satisfying the emotion of hate may feel. Especially after years of such programming.
Perhaps you are all just joking, but I would submit with this country's history of political assassinations of freely elected people on both sides of the aisle, it's not funny. If you're not joking, I may have to find a new place to hang out. Either way, if the goal is to get our ridiculously loose gun laws even looser, this kind of talk doesn't help you in that endeavor.
Just Sayin
P.S. Any source of news that tells you a man who has 24 hour protection from several federal agents sworn to take a bullet for him, could possibly be arrested by some local cop, is fake news. When Kennedy was assassinated, there were local cops in Texas who tried to keep his body there for the investigation, you should ask them how accommodating the Secret Service was to their demands.

If you look into the deeper part of this forum you will see there was a LOT of distrust of Obama (not necessarily hatred). And yes, every opportunity to impeach and mention of impeachment on the news was welcome news!

But I will let you all in on a secret... It's not going to happen! Try as we did to impeach Obama, just wasn't going to happen.

Trump is not going to get impeached... The days of assassinations are over because our Secret Service and Federal Agencies are on top of it, proof can be seen by the fact Obama is still strolling around.

It would seem all of the satirical articles that the left publishes from news desks like Huffington Poo, The Onion, Rachel Maddow, and all the rest - that Liberals can dish it out but they can't take it.

It would seem the left is intent from withdrawing from public, all of them.

I don't know what to say...

PowerStroker may as well quit going to the grocery store because at every check out isle there is a rack of satirical news sitting right there...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Did President Obama commit an impeachable offense that I don't know about?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

The Iran deal has to be up there...

$1.5 billion in cash sent by way of airplane?

Kerry over there undermining the current administration...

That's probably one of the more questionable things he did, although the list doesn't stop there.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Not sure those amount to impeachable offenses. The Iran deal was done when he was president, and it is the president's prerogative to conduct foreign policy. I know you think the Iran deal is bad, because Trump told you so. Would it surprise you to know the intelligence community believes we are better off with it?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Is this the same intelligence committee that was set up under Obama's 8 years, or the ones that Trump will have at the end of his 8 year term?

Yeah, I believe the former will think it's a great asset, while the latter will probably try and bring charges against any and everyone responsible for the deal.

Sure, it's not a big deal now, but wait until Iran starts acting up or starts a war with Israel... It will be hard to hide from it when that happens!

Guess that explains why Kerry is over there trying to save his biscuits, because he knows it's a bad deal and when it finally shows itself people will be looking at him and Obama.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

What impeachable offenses has Trump committed PowerStroker? If you don't mind me asking...

Trump has only been in office a little over a year, and you guys think you've already got him?

It's going to be a rough 6+ years for the Democrats...

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

The intelligence community is made up of career professionals and should never be purged and stacked for political reasons. The truth is the truth no matter what one's political leanings may be. The same is true of the Justice Department and, well, every other government agency. I don't know if Trump has committed impeachable offenses yet, I believe the Mueller investigation should be allowed to play out and see what he finds.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

But where was this truth is the truth stuff during

- Eric Holder - Fast and Furious?

- Clinton's pay for play Foundation and Uranium one

- Lynch and Bill Clinton Tarmac meeting

- Obama and the Iran deal

Are we supposed to overlook all of these things and just go straight to building a case against the freely elected sitting President for collusion?

I'm confused here... Maybe you could point me in the right direction because from where I sit, it's a stacked liberal intelligence agency working against the boss.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Dude, you're talking about the very top level of departments - ofcourse that will be skimmed off and changed with a new administration. I'm talking about the rank and file career professionals within each department. The intelligence community for example has tens of thousands of highly skilled professionals who have served through several administrations. Are you suggesting they all be replaced once someone who lives in their own little reality gets elected?

BTW the examples you listed I have already taken apart in other threads with the exception of Lynch and Bill Clinton because I don't recall you whining about that in its own specific thread. Fast and Furious started under the Bush administration as a different name, It was ended under the Obama administration.

The Uranium One deal I debunked with specifics in the thread you started about it. The Iran deal has truthfully made us all safer, and the rest of the civilized world tends to agree with the exception of the right wing administration in Israel who would be happy to go to war with Iran, no matter how many Americans have to die.

Let us not believe for one second that rank and file professionals within the US government have to share a philosophy with a temporary president. What's next, a political test for your mail carrier?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You do agree that $hit rolls down hill, right?

So it's safe to say if the upper crust (or top level departments as you call them) are partisan, then it's safe to say that is how the department is run.

Does not matter what the rank and file believe, it only matters what the people running the show think. We all know how it work in the real world,

you tow the managements line and if you make too many waves you get the boot.

Seems like you already know what I am talking about but you just don't want to acknowledge the facts because it's devastating to that little

narrative you're weaving.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

If what you say is true, that it doesn't matter what the career professionals think then let me ask you something...

Instead of having tens of thousands of people on the federal payroll working in the intelligence community, why not just fire them all, and just trust the OPINION of whatever political hack is appointed to run the agencies? We could save Billions of dollars if we truly don't need any human spies, people gathering keyhole satelite intelligence, people analyzing the data, and people writing reports as to what that data means, and suggesting policy solutions to the elected officials.

If we do it your way, we could save the tax payers all kinds of money, we just have to give up informed decision making in favor of political hackery.

Your notion of

" it only matters what the people running the show think. We all know how it work in the real world,

you tow the managements line and if you make too many waves you get the boot."

Cannot possibly be applied to agencies that require truth to operate and keep us all safe. Under no circumstances should we ever take the biased opinion of a political appointee as being more important than truth. The purpose of management in these situations is not to decide what the truth is, but to prioritize the information gathered by the career professionals and advise the president. To do otherwise is to create a false reality, and when policies for the real world are based on a false reality that only exists in the minds of a few, people die.

That you and President Trump can't wrap your heads around this, is disturbing.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:

Cannot possibly be applied to agencies that require truth to operate and keep us all safe. Under no circumstances should we ever take the biased opinion of a political appointee as being more important than truth. The purpose of management in these situations is not to decide what the truth is, but to prioritize the information gathered by the career professionals and advise the president. To do otherwise is to create a false reality, and when policies for the real world are based on a false reality that only exists in the minds of a few, people die.
That you and President Trump can't wrap your heads around this, is disturbing.

If what you suggest is even remotely true then how do you explain your boy Edward Snowden? Do you know who that is PowerStroker?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Yeah, he was a NSA employee who stole classified info and fled overseas. He exposed some ILLEGAL surveillance activities being conducted. Last I heard he was granted asylum by Russia. There is always bound to be the occasional bad apple in an organization as big as the NSA, you're deflecting.

A better example of a career intelligence professional would be Valerie Plame. She was a covert CIA operative who served under administrations of both parties. We were never even supposed to know about her real job, except that she was outed by the Bush administration as revenge against her husband, Ambassador Joe Wilson for not going along with the lies that got us in to the Iraq War.

Maybe you've heard something about this? It seems relevant again since your boy just pardoned Scooter Libby for apparently no other reason than to demonstrate such power to those who might be tempted to testify against him.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Tuesday 8th of May 2018 11:05:45 PM

Stellar007 · Member

PowerStroker wrote:
Yeah, he was a NSA employee who stole classified info and fled overseas. He exposed some ILLEGAL surveillance activities being conducted. Last I heard he was granted asylum by Russia. There is always bound to be the occasional bad apple in an organization as big as the NSA, you're deflecting.

Is it just me or does this sound exactly like someone we know from DH!? LOL

Stellar007 · Member

Do they mail out a "liberal phrases" book PowerStroker?

Do all liberals use that term?

Can you spell out what you think that means "deflecting"? I thought we were having a debate and such "deflection" really means that you know you're wrong but you don't want to admit it.

Is this like a moveon.org kind of thing? A gerrymandering straw man of sorts?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

So no response to Valerie Plame?

I thought not.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Now who's "deflecting"?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm trying to keep you on topic. You are trying to insinuate that career professionals either do not, or should not be a part of our government. That policy should be based entirely on the prejudices of politicians, and no actual unbiased data should ever be used in forming policy.

George W. Bush tried that idea with Ambassador Joe Wilson (a career diplomat). When Ambassador Wilson did an investigation and found there was actually no uranium being brought in to Iraq - contradicting an intentional lie that brought us in to a war. The retaliation by the Bush administration was to intentionally blow the cover of his wife Valerie Plame who was a covert CIA operative (another career professional) who had risked her life several times under administrations of both parties to keep us all safe.

To say otherwise is to create the same kind of false-equivalence that got Trump in trouble in Charlottesville when he claimed the anti-fascist protesters were just as bad as the neo Nazis.

Ridiculous!

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:
I'm trying to keep you on topic. You are trying to insinuate that career professionals either do not, or should not be a part of our government. That policy should be based entirely on the prejudices of politicians, and no actual unbiased data should ever be used in forming policy.

George W. Bush tried that idea with Ambassador Joe Wilson (a career diplomat). When Ambassador Wilson did an investigation and found there was actually no uranium being brought in to Iraq - contradicting an intentional lie that brought us in to a war. The retaliation by the Bush administration was to intentionally blow the cover of his wife Valerie Plame who was a covert CIA operative (another career professional) who had risked her life several times under administrations of both parties to keep us all safe.

To say otherwise is to create the same kind of false-equivalence that got Trump in trouble in Charlottesville when he claimed the anti-fascist protesters were just as bad as the neo Nazis.

Ridiculous!

Well said !

Stellar007 · Member

PowerStroker wrote:
I'm trying to keep you on topic. You are trying to insinuate that career professionals either do not, or should not be a part of our government. That policy should be based entirely on the prejudices of politicians, and no actual unbiased data should ever be used in forming policy.

George W. Bush tried that idea with Ambassador Joe Wilson (a career diplomat). When Ambassador Wilson did an investigation and found there was actually no uranium being brought in to Iraq - contradicting an intentional lie that brought us in to a war. The retaliation by the Bush administration was to intentionally blow the cover of his wife Valerie Plame who was a covert CIA operative (another career professional) who had risked her life several times under administrations of both parties to keep us all safe.

To say otherwise is to create the same kind of false-equivalence that got Trump in trouble in Charlottesville when he claimed the anti-fascist protesters were just as bad as the neo Nazis.

Ridiculous!

You got to be kidding me! Are you guys STILL trying to blame Bush!? After having a Democrat super majority upon Bush's exit, if you couldn't find or do anything back then - it's obvious there was nothing to it!

This is ridiculous! I am pretty damn sure the statutes of limitations has WAY expired and that anything you're suggesting is merely a distraction from the fact that Edward Snowden was in fact a leaker, and this entire

sitation is saturated with facts that paint your party the biggest abusers of the truth!

Bush... pfffft... NEXT!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I never claimed Snowden was anything but a criminal. If he steps foot in the U.S. it will be straight to court for him, and probably prison, and rightfully so. I'm unaware of Snowden's political leanings so using him as an argument doesn't make sense to me. He is 1 example of a career intelligence professional gone bad, does that mean the tens of thousands of good ones should be fired in favor of, what exactly?

Stellar007 · Member

In favor of privacy? Maybe!?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Since when do you guys care about privacy? Your stance on net neutrality would be inconsistent with such a position, as would your stance on abortion, bathroom use, and warrantless wiretapping to name but a few.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Since when do you guys care about privacy? Your stance on net neutrality would be inconsistent with such a position, as would your stance on abortion, bathroom use, and warrantless wiretapping to name but a few.

Poerestroker. I'd say we (the right) care much about privacy. Me? I seem right but more middle if I let it all hang out.

I don't care about trannys, lgbtq etc. Happy? Good for you, seriously. No prob at all.

Warrantless spying, problem. Big problem.

Abortion, my eyes BAD, very bad. Could have been the next Einstien but then.... THEIR choice, they deal with it when St Finger shakes his peter at them at the pearly gates.

Bathrooms, I don't care who is in there. Could all be unisex far as I care.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

That's pretty cool, sounds like you really are middle of the road for the most part, at least on privacy issues anyway.

Rex on the other hand would like to have mandatory genital inspections before anyone uses a bathroom to make sure nobody uses the wrong one.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You're damn straight!

Last thing I wanna deal with when I take a leak is

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

That wouldn't bother me in the least.

Reminds me of the first date with Princess Putz... Our streams crossed and we knew it was meant to be

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Sunday 13th of May 2018 12:10:25 AM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Explains your fascination with the alleged Trump pee-pee tapes...

Rastus · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:

Reminds me of the first date with Princess Putz... Our streams crossed and we knew it was meant to be ....

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Sunday 13th of May 2018 12:10:25 AM

ROTFLMAO !

This has to be worthy of your famous quotes thread I think !

I kinda want to watch Ghost Busters again now...

blade · Guru Guest

PowerStroker wrote:
Not sure those amount to impeachable offenses. The Iran deal was done when he was president, and it is the president's prerogative to conduct foreign policy. I know you think the Iran deal is bad, because Trump told you so. Would it surprise you to know the intelligence community believes we are better off with it?

The Iran deal was not policy. It was never ratified, and it would never have passed Congress. Nobody wanted it except ol' Ears, and he ignored Congress like he was often want to do and just went ahead and did whateverthehell he wanted to do anyway. It was done by executive fiat. All Trump did was reverse that executive fiat with one of his own.

I think it's funny how of all the people who thought this 'deal' was terrible to begin with when Oblahblah started it now think it's the most amazing thing that should've never been reversed, and it's all only because Trump did it. They have no skin in the game, they just hate anything positive that Trump accomplishes. They would rather see America fail than to see Trump succeed. Nothing more.

Even funnier yet is these people have no idea why they hate Trump so much, outside of it being group-think. They loved him previously before his Presidency, they loved the donations he made to campaigns and other charities, he had a Number One TV show for years, and now, just because he won the Presidency fairly and squarely, denying HilLIARy Clinton her immaculation once again, and running as a Republican, Trump is now demonized, he's a reprobate, he's a buffoon, he's a this, he's a that, making wild accusations and outright lies about the man. This shows how corrupt the Democrats really are, and what lengths and what depths they will go to and stoop to to achieve and retain their 'power'.

They don't give a shit about the position, all they want is the power. They want the power to control.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I never thought it was a terrible deal to begin with, it seems to have been working too.

If it's good policy, I don't care who implemented it. I become agitated when policy that works is abandoned for political reasons. The Iran deal and Net Neutrality come to mind.

blade · Guru Guest

Again, it never WAS policy. It was never written into law, it was never a treaty. If it had been a treaty, Trump would not have been able to reverse it.

-- Edited by blade on Sunday 13th of May 2018 02:57:02 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

It was President Obama's policy. Not everything needs to be a treaty or ratified by Congress in order to become policy, only to become law are such things required.

It seems President Trump was given a choice between keeping a campaign promise to make his base happy, or leaving an Obama policy in place and keeping most of the world happy. How he chose is disappointing, but not surprising.

Now President Trump is setting policy in this matter, which is his perogative. I just wish his reasons for setting any policies were more noble than a shallow desire to throw some red meat to his base.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Sunday 13th of May 2018 03:35:10 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:
"It seems President Trump was given a choice between keeping a campaign promise to make his base happy, or leaving an Obama policy in place and keeping most of the world happy."
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Based on what I can tell here, I would further submit that getting what they want, still doesn't make his base happy. I wonder if anything ever will? I sure hope so.

blade · Guru Guest

Allow me to explain it to you in simple terms. I will even write slowly in case you can't read fast:

There. Was. No. Policy! It. Was. Only. An. Agreement!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

It was an agreement, and it was also U.S. Foreign policy under the Obama administration. Just like DACA and net neutrality were not laws, but they were U.S. Domestic policy under the Obama administration.

There were a number of Bush policy items that Obama left alone, and he wasn't required by any law to do so. President Trump would be wise to follow that example.

I don't know why this is so confusing?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 14th of May 2018 04:46:51 PM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

It's not confusing. It's just anything obama did suks.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

^^^ That's kind of what I thought, and I appreciate the honesty. So let's not pretend Obama committed any actual impeachable offences then and move on.

blade · Guru Guest

PowerStroker wrote:
It was an agreement, and it was also U.S. Foreign policy under the Obama administration. Just like DACA and net neutrality were not laws, but they were U.S. Domestic policy under the Obama administration.
There were a number of Bush policy items that Obama left alone, and he wasn't required by any law to do so. President Trump would be wise to follow that example.
I don't know why this is so confusing?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 14th of May 2018 04:46:51 PM

Incorrect. In fact, even I was partially incorrect, yet still more correct.

"Not a signed document". The Iranians never even signed the damn thing! It has absolutely no weight whatsoever.

Say you're sorry.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

At what point exactly did I say the Iran deal was law?

Obama had the power to enact his policy regarding Iran, and a great number of other policy initiatives. Just as Trump now has the power to un-inact them. It's not a question of power, it's a question of wisdom. As I have have apparently failed to explain previously, that the standard for policy is lower than the standard for law, and doesn't require anything to be signed (though usually the president will send a memorandum to direct one of his departments so they have a signed record). I'm still wondering exactly what your point is? You seem to be getting worked up about something I never said. Even the letter you just posted says it was political "commitments" which I see as an "agreement." Perhaps you don't see commitments and agreements as the same, that is your choice... Perhaps the issue is you believe Obama didn't even have the power to make policy at all, in which case you would be quite isolated even within your party.

I'm happy to help educate you with regard to civics, but I need help understanding exactly what part you'd like to understand. The place where the confusion began here, I think is when I challenged Rex to name an Impeachable offence committed by Obama. Rex came up with the cash payment to Iran. I then informed him about the pre-existing Congressional authorization under which Obama made said payment, and then people got cranky. Now, had such prior authorization not existed, and Obama ordered the Treasury to send a plane full of cash to Iran, that would be impeachable because Congress alone has the power to spend money. But since the authorization did exist, and since the President has the power to conduct foreign policy, to me it seems perfectly legal. That there wasn't any effort in the Republican controlled congress do do anything but whine about it seems to validate my opinion.

Your thoughts?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 14th of May 2018 10:48:35 PM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
^^^ That's kind of what I thought, and I appreciate the honesty. So let's not pretend Obama committed any actual impeachable offences then and move on.

Powerstroker. I did not like the obama at all, ever. I'm not worried about impeachable offences. Just let me on the firing squad. Puuuuleeeeeseeee!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Somehow, even with that inflamatory suggestion I feel as though you are still someone who values truth. I'm curious to know what Obama crime would warrant a firing squad in your opinion? Maybe I could talk you down?