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Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

RE: Another brilliant Dem plan

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on bump stocks.

Do you think people should be able to purchase fully automatics without any infringement too?

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Full autos? ABSOLUTELY. 1934 MG act was one of the worse. Jackboots do anything they want to. Such as label a suppressor as a firearm. In the 68 GCA there is a distinct definition of a firearm and a sound suppressor is not it. They reduce the sound, not eliminate lt like in hollywood. Hearing protection.

Bump stocks are shit, useless devices to spray bullets inaccurately. Only one has ever been used in a crime, Vegas. Why? They suck. Got news for you, a string, rubberband, even your finger will bump a rifle. Lets ban those too, huh?

Seeing as a bumpstock was used once in a crime lets use a leftist analogy along the same line.

If there is a weed in your lawn do you pull it out, or bulldoze it and pour a cement yard?

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

BTW, I have owned full auto and they never went out and shot anyone.

It's the person, not the gun, you leftist will never get it. ROOT CAUSE, get to that.

Stop the illegals, stop letting them go with a slap on the wrist, stop letting them out of prison in droves like odumbo did.

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

Here is a PDF to a 4473, you can read all the "govt" questions which will ban someone.

www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

a thru i cover what you worried about very clearly. Read them it will put your worries to ease

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on bump stocks.

Do you think people should be able to purchase fully automatics without any infringement too?

Already asked and answered...

Asking again does not change the response...

NO the government has no authority to ban fully automatic weapons...

I could see that one actually making it as an amendment to the constitution...

but the ban on ANY semi automatic is just pure overreach by the government....

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm hearing basically that no firearm should be unobtainable, but the people can be regulated. Does that mean you guys would agree to people being licensed and perhaps insured for firearms like we do with automobiles? And the trade off cold be that more things (even some fully autos) would be available for purchase to the people who get the license and insurance?

Because if that's the case, you could probably get enough Dems on board to pass it.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 8th of May 2019 07:01:23 PM

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

I mentioned it already, the honest law abiding people ARE regulated. Read the 4473 I posted? That will show you the regs to buy a firearm, a thru i, couple minute read. There are many more regs called the 68 GCA, book is 5/8" thick now, back in 72 wasn't much over a 1/4"

Many of us are already licensed. ATF knows every detail of every gun I own. I was a dealer/manufacturer over 2 decades.

Insurance is available in case you need to defend yourself. Even totally justified self defense will run $100K

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Well I can definitely see both sides to this. Certainly the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and never cause a problem, and I don't want to infringe on them or myself. Yet when I see the incidents happen that we all know about too well, I just feel as though we need to do something to make an effort to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but we have to do something. We owe it to the families to at least try something, because it seems these incidents are happening more and more frequently and with more carnage each time. It's as if the psychopaths keep trying to out do each other.

Nuffan · No longer a user - left on their own accord.

PowerStroker wrote:
Well I can definitely see both sides to this. Certainly the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and never cause a problem, and I don't want to infringe on them or myself. Yet when I see the incidents happen that we all know about too well, I just feel as though we need to do something to make an effort to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but we have to do something. We owe it to the families to at least try something, because it seems these incidents are happening more and more frequently and with more carnage each time. It's as if the psychopaths keep trying to out do each other.

And that in a nutshell is EXACTLY what is wrong with the democrats....

They always feel compelled to do something....does not matter if what they do is meaningless toward a solution (or completely counterproductive), just so long as they do SOMETHING....

Preventing law abiding citizens from having guns only makes the matter WORSE....

Most of the carnage you speak of HAPPENS in gun free zones...which becomes an open invitation to those who wish to do harm....

I have always been vocal about allowing a gun registry....registering a gun does not infringe the right to own one...registering a gun helps the enforcement side make certain that the wrong person does not obtain a gun...

I think requiring a special license or insurance is an infringement...but requiring registration so you can be cross checked against felony list and mentally incapacitated list...

I am generally opposed to the concept of the no fly list as it does not follow due process...

I would be in favor of including the no fly list to the felony and mental incapacity list if it were to be amended to follow due process before a citizen could be placed on it...

I am 100% okay with it being illegal for a non citizen to possess a fire arm in the US...

Once an immigrant is granted full citizenship then they should have all the same rights as a natural born...

And if we are unwilling to grant them full rights we should not be granting them citizenship...

-- Edited by Nuffan on Thursday 9th of May 2019 12:43:54 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

PowerStroker wrote:
Well I can definitely see both sides to this. Certainly the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and never cause a problem, and I don't want to infringe on them or myself. Yet when I see the incidents happen that we all know about too well, I just feel as though we need to do something to make an effort to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but we have to do something. We owe it to the families to at least try something, because it seems these incidents are happening more and more frequently and with more carnage each time. It's as if the psychopaths keep trying to out do each other.

Really, are you kidding?

Things had improved a lot since the wild-wild West, PowerStroker!

There can be no question as to why all these mass shootings occur in "gun-free" zones! It clearly illustrates that weak people prey on the venerable. It's a cold reality I know...

Shawnee_B · FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

PowerStroker wrote:
Well I can definitely see both sides to this. Certainly the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and never cause a problem, and I don't want to infringe on them or myself. Yet when I see the incidents happen that we all know about too well, I just feel as though we need to do something to make an effort to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but we have to do something. We owe it to the families to at least try something, because it seems these incidents are happening more and more frequently and with more carnage each time. It's as if the psychopaths keep trying to out do each other.

Try enforcing the laws on the books already. Persons who should be reported to NICS are not. Cruz had 7 times the police were there, FBI interviews, neighbors and he was still allowed to buy a gun because no one reported him to NICS not even the FBI who runs NICS! How about Sandy Hook. CT has very strict laws on firearms, must be locked in a safe, it wasn't. Another forget his name, dishonorable discharge, problems, never reported. Was an AF thing I believe.

Quit letting violent offenders out of prison early or because of over crowding, whatever insane reason. How many did Obama release because they weren't "violent offenders" just heavy drug dealers, think they don't have guns and kill? Used to be a capital offense to kill a Police Officer, bring it back and enforce it. Death penalty, 1 appeal not 25 years of appeals.

Stop drugging these kids with ADD drugs and so forth.

MK Ultra (cia mind control) is little known, probably never heard of it on the left. They say 1953-73, bullshit. Easy to create a monster out of a drugged up fuked up kid, have a shooting for the agenda of more gun control. Think that is beyond the gun grabbers and CIA? It's not.