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Who should have to pay back tariffs? [2 vote(s)]

The companies that get refunds since they already collected.
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Who should be responsible for paying back tariffs collected after todays SCOTUS ruling?


SCOTUS ruled today that tariffs were not on the level... and we got the Chicago mayor (fatso) already clamoring for reparation checks...

But who should pay? If you ask me it should be any company that successfully gets a refund, since they have already baked their increased cost into the items they sold!

Giving a company a tariff refund would be like paying them TWICE!

If you ask me, tariffs were needed in a majority of the cases where they were applied... especially with regards to China! 

Still, it's shocking to see how many conservative Justices sided with liberals!

The question with regards to "refunds" becomes this -- either tariffs raised cost or they didn't! Neither side can have it both ways!



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Actually the funds went into the US Treasury, and American consumers paid higher prices to pad the Treasury balance. It's essentially a backdoor sales tax. It will be up to Congress to decide whether or not to refund the American people for their overpayments from Treasury funds.

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Ah yes... but only a backdoor tax on things imported from hostile nations that have tariffs slapped on them. 



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Define hostile, Trump put an awful lot of tariffs on things from friendly countries too.

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hostile häst()lhästl | adjective unfriendly; antagonistica hostile audience | he wrote a ferociously hostile attack [predicativeopposedpeople are very hostile to the idea (of a takeover bid) opposed by the company to be boughtthe brewery fought off a hostile takeover bid last year (of a structure in a public place) designed to discourage activity or behavior regarded as undesirablethe armrests are a form of hostile architecture meant to deter people from using the benches to rest | our downtown has incorporated hostile designs to discourage loitering



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Is Canada hostile? Is France?

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Canada and France have been hostile towards the USA lately... FFS, Canada is currently licking Chinese nuts at the moment! doh



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Could you cite examples of Canada and France being hostile to the US?

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Well, Canada for example -- just yesterday, they knocked two of this guys teeth out!

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Is that hostile enough for you? 



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That's all in good fun, here in this country our government murders its own citizens in the streets. Please try again.

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I was more or less teasing with regards to the USA Hockey player... It's a rough sport!

However, I'm not joking when it comes to Canada being hostile -- take for instance the current embargo we have on Cuba! It's a hostile action for them to go against us in giving them aid!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/canada-prepares-aid-package-cuba-174726102.html

 



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Canada is a sovereign nation and they can have a relationship with Cuba if they want to, they aren't beholden to the US. Please try again.

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And why do we have an oil embargo on Cuba anyway, last I heard Castro was dead? They aren't still hosting Russian nukes are they?

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Canada is a sovereign nation to the extent that they become a national security risk to their larger, more powerful neighbors. Should they choose to align with countries hostile to the USA, then they open themselves up to serious repercussions.

There is an embargo on Cuba for buying oil from Venezuela... you are aware the US captured Maduro recently in a covert military operation? You did not bother to reply to that thread so I assume you're clueless when it comes to South American issues.



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Oh, why am I wasting my time... your party still thinks Venezuela is below the equator. 



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I am aware, I just don't understand why we would embargo cuba for buying oil from Venezuela. Or try to blockade oil from other countries from getting to Cuba. Lots of countries buy oil from Venezuela. Russia is a much bigger asshole country than Venezuela ever thought of being, and lots of countries buy oil from Russia too. Should we be setting up naval blockades around their countries too?

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These are big boy issues, PowerStroker! That is why you are unwilling to dip your toe in the Maduro thread. 

If left up to you Democrats you'd give away the farm, then cry when a communist nation took over and put your ass out in the field to pick cotton!

Everything you have said above is a cop-out! You know exactly why, and if you don't know by now -- it's just wasting my time explaining it to you!

They say Bees don't waste their time trying to convince Flies that honey is better than shit... 



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I guess Maduro is a prick, but he never did anything to me so it's not something I get excited about.

Apparently Trump signed an executive order to block oil going to Cuba based on a national emergency of some kind. For the life of me I can't figure out what that emergency is, can you help me understand?

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Monroe Doctrine. 

Look it up... learn it.



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How is Trump's desire to reimplement the Monroe Doctrine on Cuba a national emergency? 

 

 

Even AI is essentially calling bullshit. The consensus of international observers doesn't see justification for the emergency declaration. 

Does it bother you at all that Trump is so often out of touch with reality?



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HA! That's really rich! Some pedophile Democrat who likes to promote sex changes on children, while allowing $9 billion worth of grift by Somalis taking over his state telling me Trump is out of touch!

Try again! This time don't be a punk and go looking for answers from AI -- you really have gotten lazy and attached to all the spoon feedings over the years, haven't you?



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For the record, I'm not a pedophile, and have never promoted sex changes on children. And I'm not involved in the missing 9 billion.

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PowerStroker wrote:

For the record, I'm not a pedophile, and have never promoted sex changes on children. And I'm not involved in the missing 9 billion.


 

Uh-huh... sure. You just associate and vote for them, you know -- like the whole Epstein thing. 

Not a single time!



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For the record, I'm not a pedophile, and have never promoted sex changes on children. And I'm not involved in the missing 9 billion.


 But you support them 100%. You vote and plug for them. Cover for them. Distract, deflect, project. You're no better than street rat with syphilis. 



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Pharmaceutical puberty blockers and hormone treatments are not sex change operations. I'm not aware of any current elected officials in my state that are pedophiles, promoted sex changes on children, or were involved in the missing 9 billion either. In fact, they are investigating and prosecuting the people involved in the fraud.



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Pharmaceutical puberty blockers and hormone treatments are not sex change operations. 


 

That's just sick... what is wrong with you people?



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Nothing, we just don't share your bigotry.

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Bigotry? C'mon dude, let the kids be kids! Don't try and normalize that sickness.

You guys aren't just trying to collect psycho pay -- you really are crazy!



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Yes they are crazy. DRugs do that. Multiple jabs and PCR. Hormone drugs against Gods way.
Use pronouns, "we, they, us, them" is what LEGION, satans army of demons uses.
Bathomet has a dick and tits. Trannies emulate them.
Heard your body is a temple? Do not destroy it? Like cut your tits and dicks off?

WE may be bigots, but your blasphemers. And dumb as fuck.

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What would Jesus say about your comments? I don't recall any passage in the Bible where he ever uttered anything like what you say.

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I think Shawnee is reading from "The Old Testament".

You know, back when they actually had to deal with Islam and other factions.



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The thing is, the Old Testament was written long before Jesus came along, and contains books written by some very bigoted people. A true Christian sees the Old Testament as a historical record, and not a guide for living. Nor does a true Christian see the Old Testament as a justification for bigotry. A true Christian follows the teachings of Jesus found in the New Testament. The religion is called Christianity, not Leviticanity.

Bigotry justified by religion, is just bigotry from people who make absolutely no effort toward self improvement or enlightenment.

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Bigotry justified by religion, is just bigotry from people who make absolutely no effort toward self improvement or enlightenment.


 

Sorry PowerStroker, we still insist you leave the kids alone! Self improvement and enlightenment have nothing to do with cutting off your dick, or other parts of your reproductive system! It's just sick -- regardless of the age! 

SCOTUS just ruled California can no longer hide information from parents with regards to the sick Democrat gender reassignment campaign on children! That means it's the law of the land! I implore your kind to leave the kids alone!

It's sick, and honestly you risk being un-alived if you mess with the wrong parents. I highly suggest you reconsider your position on advocating puberty blockers for children until you have your own kids! 



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I have never once advocated cutting off your or my dick. Democrats don't have a gender reassignment campaign.

Hypothetical for you...

Back when your son was about 13 years old. If he came up to you and told you that he has been depressed for a long time because he has the soul of a female trapped in a boy's body. And that he would like to get a prescription to delay puberty until he can figure out what to do about his feelings. Would you help him obtain that prescription? Would you love him any less? Would you find a way to blame your situation on liberals?

I'm not advocating anything except self determination and compassion.

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DUDE! You had a vasectomy! Do you know how much of a bitch move that is? 

I still have to FIGHT with the natural urge to breed! It's not easy! But you... You go and get fixed like some animal! You don't even remember what it's like to be a man anymore!

If my Son came up to me at 13 and said he thought he had the soul of a female trapped in his body I'd have looked him in the eye and asked him "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

I would have told him like my other son that any and all medical procedures would be put off until his 18th birthday -- because you just don't get it PowerStroker! You'll NEVER "get it" because you don't have kids!

Kids are just that you pervert! They are KIDS! They go through a lot of emotional periods -- they try things out, but until they are 18 years old -- you have to just let them grow! 

I'm actually glad you can't have kids. You're not playing with a full deck! 



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My instinct IS to leave kids alone. But if I had one that asked for help, I'm not going to respond by saying "what the fuck is wrong with you."

There is no Democratic program or even desire to perform sex changes on children. No Democrat that I know about is advocating gender reassignment surgeries before the 18th birthday. We just try to be supportive until they can decide for themselves what they want to do with their lives. I don't know why you make such a big deal out of that, especially when you can avoid numerous youth suicides by simply providing medicines that simply delay puberty. And there is no such thing as a Sarah Palin "death panel" either by the way. Your imagination is vivid, but leads you to some pretty astonishing conclusions. If you can show me credible evidence that Democrats are marching kids into a machine that slices off their genitals, then I'll leave the party.

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I think Shawnee is reading from "The Old Testament".

You know, back when they actually had to deal with Islam and other factions.



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 It's in both and it's not rewritable by the demotards. 



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Where exactly are you finding justification for bigotry in the teachings of Jesus.

He may ask you that when you get to Heaven, and I hope you have a better answer than anything I've seen so far.

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Where exactly are you finding justification for bigotry in the teachings of Jesus.

He may ask you that when you get to Heaven, and I hope you have a better answer than anything I've seen so far.


 

Least I'll go to heaven. Show me the bigotry, I'll show you the passages.



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I'm going to heaven too, and I think they'll have fewer questions for me when I get there.

As far as the bigotry, you can reference your own posts here about gays, transgender people, Mexicans, and black people.

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You don't find it somewhat weird to be asking AI about religion?

Do you eat TV dinners for dinner often? Instant grits in the morning for breakfast?



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I already knew the answer, but I figured you'd be more likely to believe a robot.

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I looked at your previous replies above and I never even seen the "question". So this "answer" of yours seems to be coming from a place in never-never land. confuse

Besides, Holy rolling has very little to do with US immigration law. If you wish to go back to biblical times you need look any further than the current immigration laws in Jerusalem.

All that said, there is tons of scripture that speak of the evils of the world and how demons like to hide behind scripture. I don't get my religion from AI like you, PowerStroker.

I get it directly from the source! wink

That being said, leave the kids alone... you'll have plenty of time to pervert and take advantage of mankind once they turn 18 and are trading on their own.

Just mind your own business and leave the kids to their loving parents until they turn 18, mmmmkay? You sick puppy!

It's bad enough what your party has done to the public education system over the years, now you want to fiddle with their hormones? Nah, why don't you guys shove them drugs up your ass like everything else?

 

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The question was for Shawnee. I asked him to show me where in the teachings of Jesus he is finding justification for bigotry.

Nobody on the left is forcing anything on children. But if kids ask their parents for help, whether they receive it or not seems to depends on their parent's politics.

Is there some conspiracy where Democrats are marching children to a machine that cuts off their genitals that I'm unware of?

Exactly what children do you think I have had contact with? Exactly what do you think Democrats are doing to children, and do you have proof?



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^^^ is this above for Shawnee too?

I wasn't sure so I've refrained from engagement. 



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It's for anybody, this is a place to discuss issues after all.

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The question was for Shawnee. I asked him to show me where in the teachings of Jesus he is finding justification for bigotry.

Nobody on the left is forcing anything on children. But if kids ask their parents for help, whether they receive it or not seems to depends on their parent's politics.

Is there some conspiracy where Democrats are marching children to a machine that cuts off their genitals that I'm unware of?

Exactly what children do you think I have had contact with? Exactly what do you think Democrats are doing to children, and do you have proof?



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 I'm back, can't make it often enough. 

It's complicated, there are 2 schools of thought on it. Neither is right or wrong really, it's in how one reads the bible.

1st school reads it "literally" In that case Jesus did not preach about Homosexuality in the New Testament.

2nd school. Interprets the bible beyond literal meaning. It's deep. Such as many believe Jesus didn't preach on it because God had covered it himself, it's a given that people know what's wrong and not. The Old Testament is forever, not old times only. Gods executive orders don't expire, no one can override them. 

God's chosen people freed from Egypt had strict rules pertaining to fasting, what and when they eat, how, sacrifices... But it's made clear it is for them. WE can have bacon, shellfish. It's spelled out. 

When God says "a man who wears womans garments is an abomination", is for today as much as it was then.

When he says "2 men who lay together as a woman, will have their blood on each others hands" is for today. AIDS? Monkey Pox? The new ringworm shit around their mouths, probably starfish too. God is telling them of his displeasure. 

Homosexuality in the New Testament - Wikipedia

Since 1980, scholars have debated the translation and modern relevance of New Testament texts on homosexuality.[1] Three distinct passages  Romans 1:2627, 1 Corinthians 6:910, and 1 Timothy 1:910 as well as Jude 1:7, have been taken to condemn same-sex intercourse, but each passage remains contested. 

What does the Bible, including Jesus, say about homosexuality?

2.1 Teachings of Jesus on Marriage and Sexual Ethics

Although the Gospels do not record Jesus specifically saying the word homosexuality, He addresses sexual sins and upholds the Genesis model of marriage. In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus refers to the male and female design for marriage, concluding by saying, So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate. This citation reaffirms Gods creative intention for marriage as a covenant between one man and one woman.

Jesus also underscores sexual purity (Matthew 5:27-28Mark 7:20-23). These passages broaden the scope of what is considered morally wrong, emphasizing the condition of the heart rather than restricting judgment to only outward acts. While He does not offer a direct commentary on same-sex relationships in the recorded Gospels, His established framework for marriage, sexual purity, and upholding Scriptural commands provides the overarching context.

What does the Bible, including Jesus, say about homosexuality?

Biblical Encyclopedia / Topical Bible Entry: Homosexuality

Below is a comprehensive exploration of what Scripture-encompassing both Old and New Testament writings-says about homosexual activity, along with relevant discussions from Jesus teachings on marriage and sexual ethics. All quotations, unless otherwise noted, are taken from the Berean Standard Bible. Scripture references are arranged to provide an organized, thorough overview.

 


1. Old Testament Foundations

1.1 Creation and the Foundation of Sexuality

The Bible introduces human sexuality within the context of Gods creative design. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them (Genesis 1:27). This foundational premise establishes the binary nature of human sexuality as woven into Gods original creation.

In Genesis 2:24, the union of man and woman is depicted as a one-flesh covenant: For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The emphasis on male-female pairing is the template for marriage, consistently referenced throughout Scripture.

1.2 Historical Accounts: Genesis 19

In describing the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis 19:4-11 recounts men of the city demanding sexual relations with Lots guests, who were angels in human form. The account highlights immoral behavior at multiple levels, which includes homosexual acts. While this passage also addresses other grave sins (Ezekiel 16:49-50 mentions pride, neglect of the poor, and abominable acts), the sexual violation in Genesis 19 is one of the clearest aspects of Sodoms guilt.

1.3 Levitical Law

Leviticus 18:22 states, You must not lie with a man as with a woman; that is an abomination. Likewise, Leviticus 20:13 addresses the same practice as forbidden. These prohibitions appear in a broader context that includes various other sexual sins (e.g., incest, bestiality, and adultery), demonstrating that Scripture draws boundaries around intimacy for Israel, reflecting Gods holiness and will for human sexuality.

 


2. New Testament Insights

2.1 Teachings of Jesus on Marriage and Sexual Ethics

Although the Gospels do not record Jesus specifically saying the word homosexuality, He addresses sexual sins and upholds the Genesis model of marriage. In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus refers to the male and female design for marriage, concluding by saying, So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate. This citation reaffirms Gods creative intention for marriage as a covenant between one man and one woman.

Jesus also underscores sexual purity (Matthew 5:27-28Mark 7:20-23). These passages broaden the scope of what is considered morally wrong, emphasizing the condition of the heart rather than restricting judgment to only outward acts. While He does not offer a direct commentary on same-sex relationships in the recorded Gospels, His established framework for marriage, sexual purity, and upholding Scriptural commands provides the overarching context.

2.2 Writings of Paul

Pauls epistles explicitly address homosexual behavior:

Romans 1:26-27: Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another... This passage highlights a departure from Gods design, emphasizing that certain acts are not in line with His created order.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral... nor homosexuals, nor thieves... will inherit the kingdom of God. Here, Paul places homosexual behavior among a list of sins. Yet in the following verse, 1 Corinthians 6:11, he offers hope: And that is what some of you were. But you were washed... The emphasis is on transformation and redemption offered by God.

1 Timothy 1:9-11 also categorizes homosexual acts with other sins that contradict sound teaching, reinforcing the broader biblical ethic on sexuality.

In each instance, Paul addresses same-sex activity as one among various actions deemed inconsistent with the holy living God calls believers to pursue.

Lot's of great reading on it. Again, it's your interpretation. I don't read literally. I can't count how many bibles I have but have 8 different versions. Mathews Bible, 1611 King James, Etithopian... Some have "bible study" incorporated in each chapter prefix. 

You can believe what every you want. I don't care what people do but I will repeat and preach the word. If I'm a bigot for repeating Gods word, so be it.



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I think Shawnee is reading from "The Old Testament".

You know, back when they actually had to deal with Islam and other factions.



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 Islam didn't start as a religion until the 7th century, 610 AD. The Old Testament, and New isn't about "other factions". It's Gods word and Jesus teachings and we must obey them. 

When God says, don't stick your wienie in your buddies ass, it's as much for today as back then. Result is AIDS, Monkey Pox, the ringworm stuff. Have you checked how rampant STD's are now? People who believe I am a bigot and it's OK to cut your dick off, are finding out, that it's not. 



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The thing is, the Old Testament was written long before Jesus came along, and contains books written by some very bigoted people. A true Christian sees the Old Testament as a historical record, and not a guide for living. Nor does a true Christian see the Old Testament as a justification for bigotry. A true Christian follows the teachings of Jesus found in the New Testament. The religion is called Christianity, not Leviticanity.

Bigotry justified by religion, is just bigotry from people who make absolutely no effort toward self improvement or enlightenment.


 These very bigoted people wrote down Gods word, so you are calling God a bigot.



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