Trump scores 'massive court victory' with appellate ruling on ICE detention

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Gonna be some drunk folks on the Hill tonight trying to filibuster the Save Act!

Shawnee_B · UNSTOPPABLE!

I didn't watch. They go rabid?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I think they are still going at it!

They're trying to ram it thru! Even Turtle voted in favor of the save act.

Trying to get it down to 50 votes! May have to twist some arms and grease some palms but I'd say it's worth it just to have the piece of mind going forward.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

You'd think Democrats would just pass the damn thing so we wouldn't have anything to complain about if they ever won again...

Really makes you wonder... the TDS is running wild on the Hill! It's reaching toon level!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

The notion that you guys would ever run out of things to complain about almost made me spit out my Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard.

Shawnee_B · UNSTOPPABLE!

We never complain. A perfect government we have here Ollie.

Shawnee_B · UNSTOPPABLE!

Hey, know how to castrate a Muslim? Kick a democrat in the chin. bwahaha!

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I'm inclined to believe that ALL of these Shenanigans and delays on the Hill would be instantly fixed if Congress didn't get paid during a shutdown!

WTF are Democrats doing!? They are fucking with the livelihood of TSA members by not paying them! The Democrat party is showing their Uncle Tom colors making them all work for free!

Furthermore, the Democrats are putting the lives of Americans in danger by holding back funding for Homeland Security! And this is during a time we are taking down the biggest State Sponsor of Terror!

WTF is wrong with Democrats? Chuck Schumer has to be the biggest piece of shit on the Hill! Seriously tired of all his partisan BS!

Guy needs to get sent out to pasture with Bernie Sanders! These two have been in public service too long, they are only serving themselves!

Shawnee_B · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:
I'm inclined to believe that ALL of these Shenanigans and delays on the Hill would be instantly fixed if Congress didn't get paid during a shutdown!
WTF are Democrats doing!? They are fucking with the livelihood of TSA members by not paying them! The Democrat party is showing their Uncle Tom colors making them all work for free!
Furthermore, the Democrats are putting the lives of Americans in danger by holding back funding for Homeland Security! And this is during a time we are taking down the biggest State Sponsor of Terror!
WTF is wrong with Democrats? Chuck Schumer has to be the biggest piece of shit on the Hill! Seriously tired of all his partisan BS!
Guy needs to get sent out to pasture with Bernie Sanders! These two have been in public service too long, they are only serving themselves!

Looks like Elon is going to pay TSA. And Shumer is pissed, yelling we need to fund....! Get your popcorn, getting funny.

-- Edited by Shawnee_B on Saturday 21st of March 2026 04:16:52 PM

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm sure Democrats would be happy to fund the TSA as a standalone funding bill.

Unfortunately, it is Republicans holding the TSA hostage until they get funding for the entire DHS, which is in serious need of reforms that they seem unwilling to even negotiate about.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Nope... apparently you haven't been watching the news, they turned down just "ID" as well recently.

The only thing your party is doing is making people work for free like slaves! Your party sucks PowerStroker!

Get ready for another red wave come mid-terms!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

What does the Save act have to do with DHS funding? These are 2 separate issues that in their current forms, are opposed by most Democrats. The Save act because it will disenfranchise legitimate voters, and DHS funding because ICE is murdering US citizens in the streets and violating Constitutional rights. The Save act is probably a non starter, but we are open to funding DHS (including the TSA) if ICE is reformed. Also, we would be willing to fund just TSA as a standalone funding bill in the event Republicans refuse to reform ICE. In fact, we have made 7 offers thus far to fund TSA.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Sunday 22nd of March 2026 04:13:46 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

ICE is currently in the airports as we speak!

Keep it up PowerStroker! Your party is playing right into Republican hands! These wildly ignorant ideas you folks have are not popular among actual American citizens!

Nobody cares "what you would be willing to fund"! I think that message was conveyed quite clearly to you people on the last election!

We're tired of your unpopular ideas, we're sick of your corruption and anti-Americanism!

We're gonna run this shit up the donkeys ass until November 4th -- then we will see who's ideas are more popular with TRUE AMERICANS!

Hopefully by then we have deported all your illegal voting base, along with secured the election "save act" to ensure you guys can't cheat your wildly unpopular ideas into office any further!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Just so we're clear then, Democrats have offered to fully fund the TSA, but the Republicans are holding TSA agent pay, and ultimately air travel in this country hostage due to wanting a masked gestapo on our streets.

How's that save act going by the way?

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Monday 23rd of March 2026 01:08:13 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Seems like you guys just won't be happy until ICE is at polling stations checking ID's...

Most Americans have no idea who you're fighting for, but it sure as hell isn't Americans!

You guys keep playing around with National Security! If something bad happens, you can bet the people are going to blame Democrats for playing games with our National Security, and for what?

So you can cheat elections? So you can give away our tax dollars to illegal immigrants? Give them all insurance?

Screw you!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

That would be voter intimidation and is clearly illegal.

We only want legal citizens to vote, which is what is already going on so there is no need for further legislation on the matter.

Masked gestapos aren't national security, it's fascism.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

... You see, Democrats don't enact mass punishment through legislation that inconveniences millions of legitimate voters unless we can see statistics indicating an actual problem that would necessitate it. The stats that I've heard indicate that non citizens voting in elections is extremely rare, and has never been anything near close enough to swing an election. If you're concerned that it might be a bigger problem, then I'd suggest showing some statistics that contradict what I've heard and using actual data to get me on board. Or instead of the "Save Act", simply enact legal penalties for people convicted of voting illegally. That way legal voters aren't inconvenienced by conspiracy theory driven policies.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 25th of March 2026 02:05:53 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

We already have proof!

You need not look any further than your own state! Allowing illegals to vote there has cost your state and this country countless BILLIONS!

Hate to bust your bubble, but you're going to be inconvenienced! People are fed up with your excuses, to what extent we will find out on Election Day... -- not election week, or month. Election DAY!

The save act will continue to be the priority until then.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Here's an article for you: https://www.kare11.com/article/news/politics/secretary-of-state-felony-to-vote-minnesota-if-you-are-not-eligible/89-440ef711-4111-4fde-aa8c-f24e43f3575c

Here are the highlights:

"According to a study by University of St. Thomas Law Professor Virgil Wiebe, there were only three convictions in Minnesota related to noncitizen voting irregularities from 2015 to 2024, out of more than 13 million total votes cast. That means there are probably a handful more but there's certainly no systematic effort to vote en masse by noncitizens," Wiebe said. Noncitizens can break the law and vote, but the evidence shows they don't break the law and vote."

We don't allow non citizens to vote, and its actually a felony here if they do.

Can you cite examples, like actual names of people who voted illegally?

If it's the Medicaid fraud you're in a tizzy about, can you link that to illegal voting somehow?

It seems like your mind is linking unrelated things together, you may want to get that checked out.

-- Edited by PowerStroker on Wednesday 25th of March 2026 04:27:28 PM

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Somalians have lost their protected status, so they will be deported and we won't have to worry about them voting anymore.

Many things in the Save Act will also ensure your illegal voting will be thwarted -- at least at the Federal level.

You ask me to give names like Voter Rolls are public information! But again, paper ballots will ensure we can have a tangible record to inspect on a re-count.

Mail in ballots are also a major fraud vector! That is also addressed in the Save Act.

Democrats like to play dumb, (because being dumb comes easy to them) -- but the reality is that the majority of this nation isn't buying your BS!

No red blooded American would vote for a Democrat.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'll take that answer as a no.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

I didn't see any question... just you spouting your opinionated nonsense as fact with an impossible request for me to produce a voters name and ballot information.

But like I said, we're going to fix that!

And you might very well see ICE at polling locations, because intimidation is only an issue if you are breaking the law.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Let's also not forget you guys like registering dead people to vote too. It all adds up!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

PowerStroker wrote:

Can you cite examples, like actual names of people who voted illegally?
If it's the Medicaid fraud you're in a tizzy about, can you link that to illegal voting somehow?

2 questions actually. If you can't provide examples of people who voted illegally, how is it you are absolutely convinced that it is happening?

Spock would say this is illogical.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

The answer to both of your questions can be found right here, along with testimonials and proofs.

https://www.congress.gov/118/chrg/CHRG-118hhrg56763/CHRG-118hhrg56763.pdf

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Well at least you learned how to back up your claims, so that's a step in the right direction. Though a subcommittee hearing, controlled by elected conspiracy theorists, having conspiracy theorist testimony entered into the record, hardly seems like unbiased information.

One thing that stuck out at me in the hearing transcript you posted, is that they claimed there was something like 6500 people on the Texas voting rolls who were non citizens, and of them something like 1300 of them had a history of actually voting. If true, that's about 1300 felonies. So my question is how many of them have had criminal charges brought against them by the Trump Justice Department?

You'd think they'd be itching to prosecute things like that.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

It just proves that the issue is so rampant that it is actually overwhelming our system of Justice!

Just look at the resources involved in deporting these illegals alone! Dwarfed only by the Democrats small and consistent efforts flying them into the United States!

It's just crazy! You add in the fraud and everything else and it's no wonder we're bleeding red ink to the tune of Trillions!

Nobody is saying Democrats and US citizens can't vote! But it is saying, at least in Federal Elections, that US citizenship must be proven! Much to the standard of the new "RealID" requirements!

States issuing licenses to illegals and allowing them to vote in their State elections is the reason we have so many Omar's and Rashida's...

It just compounds and before you know it, BILLIONS in aid is squandered -- and even though we catch some of them it's a lot of resources to prosecute them, and the money they took is long gone!

Any "real" American would be concerned -- as a lot of elections come down to the wire where 1,000-10,000 votes would swing an election -- sometimes less depending on the district.

Cleaning this up and restoring the confidence in elections is VERY IMPORTANT!

The Save Act needs to be passed! Immigrants also should not be counted in the census reports either! Only US citizens!

It all goes hand in hand... all of it.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

As I've said before, I don't have a problem with having to prove citizenship when somebody first registers to vote. I just want to clean up the legislative language to make sure voting roles cant then be purged on a partisan basis, and women don't have to actually to go to court for a legal name change when they marry. If these things got cleaned up, you'd probably get enough Democratic votes for it to pass. One would think that if an issue is this important to you, that some compromise would be in order.

By the way, Omar and Rashida are both US citizens and will continue to vote legally no matter what gets passed.

If a non citizen voted, the Justice department should charge them with a felony. That they aren't apparently charging anybody with illegal voting, should either be a source of outrage to you, or indicate that the information upon which you base your beliefs is deeply flawed.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

There can be no compromise when it comes to election integrity! You either have secure elections, or you don't!

Furthermore, people who have been identified and caught voting illegally are obviously not US citizens and should be deported rather than wasting court resources charging them.

Makes no sense to keep an illegal in our jails! Sending them back is the best and least expensive avenue!

We know how these people were able to illegally cast ballots and that is what the Save Act aims to prevent in the future. It's a multi-prong effort to prevent new registrations and purge improper ones from the voter rolls.

With regards to Omar, she was not born in the USA! And there are serious questions about her eligibility based on her past omissions when applying for citizenship!

Rashida was born in Detroit Michigan, and she has a mouth on her... My reference to them was more or less in relation to how these people were able to carry their districts - not about their qualifications to vote.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

You can't just deport people without due process either. They need to be proven to be here illegally in court before they are removed from the country.

If we deny due process for some, it will eventually extend to all.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

SCOTUS recently ruled that illegals here are not entitled to due process in their deportation once they have overstayed their welcome and skipped or failed to make legitimate efforts to seek legal residency.

Due process is only afforded to citizens and people visiting here legally.

The same should be the case with healthcare, public assistance, and everything else that is tax payer funded.

Do you think the USA is hosting an intergalactic kegger? The only thing that scares me about aliens from outer space is that Democrats will want to give them taxpayer money.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

What SCOTUS ruling said that? I know there was one that allowed racial profiling, but I wasn't aware that due process was destroyed.

If not the courts, then who decides whether or not someone is here illegally?

I'm not asking for much, just an arraignment before a Senate confirmed judge, at which point the detainee can either plead guilty and receive an immediate judicial deportation order, or plead not guilty, and be given a chance to offer evidence that they are here legally. Is that so much to ask? Do you really think that a determination of whether or not someone is here legally should be made by anyone other than a judge? If so, who?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Trump scores 'massive court victory' with appellate ruling on ICE detention

The Eighth Circuit reversed a Minnesota district court ruling in a 2-1 decision, aligning with a similar Fifth Circuit ruling last month

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-scores-massive-court-victory-appellate-ruling-ice-detention

No, I don't feel activist Judges should be allowed to grant illegal immigrants the ability to stay in this country!

What the hell is wrong with you PowerStroker? You Democrats have let so many people come into this country illegally that we can't afford to give the entire world due process when it comes to their failure to properly naturalize!

This process would just be used to drag out something that has already been established! What is wrong with sending these people home, then they can take as much time as they want trying to re-enter legally?

Get them out of here! If you don't like it -- don't allow your party to keep letting them in! It's very easy PowerStroker, don't vote for them!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

From your article:

"The Eighth Circuit has held that illegal aliens can be detained without bond following a similar ruling from the Fifth Circuit last month."

This court ruling doesn't end due process rights, it merely affirms that illegals can be held without bond, I don't recall ever disputing that. I am saying that nobody should be deported without a removal order from a Senate confirmed judge who verifies that they are in fact here illegally. Everybody is entitled an opportunity to challenge the accusation that they are here illegally and provide evidence to the contrary in a court of law. But sure, they can be held without bond in the meantime once charges are filed.

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Here is an AI overview, it's not just detainment that a fast-track to deportation can be legally executed -- much the same as I have stated above.

AI Overview

The Supreme Court has issued several recent orders regarding the deportation of undocumented immigrants, allowing the use of a process called

expedited removalwhich permits the government to deport certain noncitizens without a full hearing before an immigration judge.

American Immigration Council +1

Key Details

Expedited Removal: This administrative process, authorized by Congress in 1996, allows immigration officers to deport noncitizens who lack proper entry documents or have committed fraud. It generally applies to individuals who cannot prove they have been continuously present in the U.S. for at least two years.
Expansion: A January 2025 executive order expanded the use of expedited removal nationwide, no longer limiting it to border zones. This means individuals anywhere in the country can be subject to fast-track deportation if they meet the criteria.
Due Process, Not a "Trial": While all persons in the U.S. are entitled to constitutional due process rights, this does not necessarily mean a full, traditional "trial" in the criminal court sense for civil immigration violations. Due process in an immigration context typically means an appropriate notice and an opportunity to be heard in some form of proceeding.
Limited Judicial Review: Individuals placed in expedited removal generally have no right to challenge their deportation in federal court, a provision upheld by the Supreme Court in 2020.
Exceptions:
- Asylum Seekers: Noncitizens who express a credible fear of persecution or torture if returned to their home country must be granted a "credible fear" interview and a hearing to determine their eligibility for asylum.
- Alien Enemies Act: The Supreme Court has also issued rulings concerning the government's use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act for deportations, stating that migrants must receive notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal in federal court.
- Third-Country Removals: The Court also lifted a lower court order in June 2025, allowing the Trump administration to resume deportations of migrants to third countries while legal challenges continue.
  American Immigration Council +10

In essence, certain undocumented immigrants can be deported through an administrative process without an immigration court hearing, but they still retain a right to some form of due process, particularly if they claim asylum or challenge their removal under specific legal avenues.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

SELLC wrote:

Due Process, Not a "Trial": While all persons in the U.S. are entitled to constitutional due process rights, this does not necessarily mean a full, traditional "trial" in the criminal court sense for civil immigration violations. Due process in an immigration context typically means an appropriate notice and an opportunity to be heard in some form of proceeding.
Exceptions:
Asylum Seekers: Noncitizens who express a credible fear of persecution or torture if returned to their home country must be granted a "credible fear" interview and a hearing to determine their eligibility for asylum.
Alien Enemies Act: The Supreme Court has also issued rulings concerning the government's use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act for deportations, stating that migrants must receive notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal in federal court.

This is all I'm asking for, is the Trump administration following these guidelines^^^ ?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

OF COURSE THEY ARE!

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

So the guys that got shipped to CECOT against a Judge's orders all had the aforementioned due process?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yes, as they were all high priority gang-bangers. These were the 1st round draft picks -- the real bad ones.

And they probably aren't coming back on Trumps watch. But I know, you Democrats need them to keep your voting base in line.

Sorry, maybe get some better policy from here on out?

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

Being in a gang isn't a crime, so obviously they weren't convicted of "gang membership."

Some of the things that gangs do, are certainly crimes. Were these guys convicted of anything?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yes... being in the United States illegally.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

They were convicted in a court of law of that crime?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

We have been over this already-

The Supreme Court has issued several recent orders regarding the deportation of undocumented immigrants, allowing the use of a process called

expedited removal which permits the government to deport certain noncitizens without a full hearing before an immigration judge.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

So they haven't been actually convicted of any crime then? Did they actually receive the following?

"Due Process, Not a "Trial": While all persons in the U.S. are entitled to constitutional due process rights, this does not necessarily mean a full, traditional "trial" in the criminal court sense for civil immigration violations. Due process in an immigration context typically means an appropriate notice and an opportunity to be heard in some form of proceeding.
Exceptions:
- Asylum Seekers: Noncitizens who express a credible fear of persecution or torture if returned to their home country must be granted a "credible fear" interview and a hearing to determine their eligibility for asylum.
- Alien Enemies Act: The Supreme Court has also issued rulings concerning the government's use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act for deportations, stating that migrants must receive notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal in federal court."
- While not entitled to a typical criminal jury trial, it seems a judge was involved in their immigration cases anyway. Were the judge's orders followed by the Trump administration?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Yes, I believe all of them had committed deportable offenses in addition to being here illegally. Many had outstanding warrants where they skipped their trials to remain in the country and out of jail.

I think there was ONE who slipped through the cracks and was later brought back -- then deported to another country.

Guess you're just not going to be happy until one of these monsters catches up with you, or one of your friends/family.

PowerStroker · UNSTOPPABLE!

I'm not saying release them in the country, I'm saying charge them with whatever criminal offenses and hold them (without bond if necessary) until their trial. Otherwise, if they can't prove legal status here, get a deportation order and deport them to their home country in accordance with US law.

The notion that US taxpayers are paying to imprison them without any criminal conviction, or without even being charged with a crime, is the antithesis of what the United States is supposed to stand for. If they truly are, as you say "the worst of the worst," then you should be wanting to convict them, why don't you?

SELLC · CERTIFIED POST WHORE

Why in the HELL would we pay to keep someone here in prison when they shouldn't even be here?

We all know how you like to waste money in Minnesota.